Just for the record of you straight members of Oasis, This is not a GSA! its for Queer youth. please go away!
yes there is Straight people posting on Oasis, I have conversed with a some of them.
I have a straight friend who joined up so that he could respond to what I wrote. I don't see anything wrong with that -- of course, he's confined his comments to my material. (I admit that it might be different if he was posting everywhere.) Oasis doesn't allow anonymous posting, like livejournal does, so he had to join in order to give me any feedback.
Special Envoy to Tea-Drinking Nations for The Movement To Free Oompa Loompa Land From The Tyrannical Rule Of The Evil Capitalistic Despot Willy Wonka And Associates
It never ceases to amaze me linds at your niavity (sp?) having your "striaght friends" respond here? are you THAT desperate for attention you illicit others to respond here? why not copy and paste the writeing to an email? print it off? then again. Thats to simple. you are only an American.
Why the personal attack? I think all of us here at Oasis will agree that that's unnecessary.
I confess: I like this site being exclusively queer. Heterosexuals can come and read the site, that's fine.
Habit is the ballast that chains a dog to his vomit. - Samuel Beckett
I just have a damn good friend who cares enough to give me his thoughts and support. :-) Thanks, Matt.
Naivete. There's an accent on one of the letters, but I can't get it to show up in the text editor.
I may be "only" an American, but I'm an American who will begin work towards a doctorate in the fall. Let us know when you pass spelling class. Pick on someone who gives a shit. :-)
Ahh, you proved my point linds. You are a classist. A docotorate? So that makes you better then those who have opinions and don't have a doctorate? You take classism to a next level linds. You Sicken me.
Have some common sense.
It's just something I'm proud of, that I think counteracts my supposed naivete. And I have every right to be proud.
Linds, because you get a doctorate in something does not counter act being naive, or compensate for lack of common sense. anyone with a spark of either would be able to take note of that.
Classism? From someone who wants to enforce a no breeders policy on Oasis, and criticizes someone for allowing a friend to see her posts on Oasis? I think that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. No worries:)
-Luke, the Security Advisor for The Movement to Free Oompa Loompa Land from the Evil Tyranical Capitalistic Despot Willy Wonka
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." -Einstein.
EWW EWW EWWW.
do you know how ugly horrible and plain wrong this whole debate is. yes this site was created for gay people to talk chat or whatever. but if straight people come here they're obviously not gay and can't understand us. fair point to an extent but what if they wanted to understand us better? i say let anybody come in who's going to be postive and real and not hurtful
and to the plain abuse that's been going on between posts. grow up.
"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it" Buffy- The Gift
well, a straight person posting on a gay site? one has to wonder at thier motives. Like JB said Oasis is not a Gay Straight Alliance. There are other sites for that! straights be gone!
I have no problem what-so-ever with straight people posting on this site. As far as I'm concrened the more opinions we have on this site the better, and the more diversity of people we have comming here the more diverce those opinions will be. Oasis, or at least the last time I checked, is a site for Queer & Questioning youth. What is there to say that Straight fellows are not questioners? What is the big problem with having hetrosexuals post here as long as they are supportive? To be frank, I think it seems rather Homocentrist to demand that they leave.
take a look at the title. "queer and questioning youth" theses people state they are not questioning and very straight, thats what the site it for, an area for young queers to write and post thier feelings and converse with other young queers. straight people posting only serves to further alienate young queer people, and as for being "homocentrist" thats my right, this site is for queer and questioning youth. not heterosexuals. its plain as black and white. more opinions? I laugh at that.
Vice President and Drug Tzar of The Movement To Free Ommpa loompa Land From The Tyrannical Rule Of The Evil Capitalsitic Despot Willy Wonka And Associates
How on earth do supportive Straight people alienate Gay-youth? If anything knowing that Hertrosexuals are not "bad people" and that there are many out there that are accepting of alternative lifestyles would make gay-youths feel even more at ease with themselves and secure in their environment.
Most schools, at least to my limited knowlege, do not have Gay-Straight allineces, and many kids here come from geographical regions were homosexuals are not tolerated. If I grew up on such a location I might well think that all straight people dislike gays. I might think that the only people who are okay with me being gay are other gays. Unless I meet some straight folks who have opinions that challenge my belives I will keep on thinking that. I don't see how that thinking all straight people [for many kids this means EVERYONE] dislike gays will make me feel less alienated. Then again I could be wrong.
title of the site says it all
FOR QUEER OR QUESTIONING YOUTH.
everybody shud have a problem with straiht people in a gay place because gay places are suposed to be gay and this is a queer place. so it shud be for the queers and maybe there friends if there friends are queer to.
YOUVE BEEN PETRAFIED
Is that an Ender reference I see?! Oooh....
Hmm... gay places are supposed to be gay. Well, then the logical conclusion is that we're not supposed to go into a "straight" bar or restaurant because straight places are supposed to be straight. But wait! That is homophobia!
Straight people are on Oasis? Am I missing why this matters? Straight people can go to gay bars, Margaret Cho concerts, gay pride parades, etc., too.
As long as they are supportive, not really an issue.
So much mudslinging, and me with my new sexy shirt on, I must duck under my desk so as to avoid being sullied........... There I am now safe.
I would like you to turn your heads to the writing that is found on the orange bar above: "A Writing community for queer & questioning youth". Perhaps I am simply blind man, or am not very good in the English, but doesn't queer mean you like to kiss people of your own sex? And last time I checked you spelt straight: "s-t-r-a-i-g-h-t" and not "q-u-e-s-t-i-o-n-i-n-g". But I am an idiot, and may just be out of the loop.
But perhaps the bigger question here is why in god's name do straight (sp?) people come to this site at all. Its all fair and good to be supportive. But there are some things that straight people can never relate to, nor sympathize with because they will never experience anything like it- like coming out. And if you are a little boy and like to kiss girls, why would you think about kissing guys? Personally the thought of kissing a girl is grotesque, that is why I am not on straight relationship boards- because I just don't relate to them.
The only reason I can think of for straight people to come to this site is if they desperately want to be gay. In which case, I know several good doctors that can help.
Finally I was not aware of these pests invading our pure land. I can only suspect that they are spies from Willy Wonka attempting to infiltrate our organization. They must be expunged!
CEO, President, Founder, and First member of:
The Movement To Free Ommpa loompa Land From The Tyrannical Rule Of The Evil Capitalsitic Despot Willy Wonka And Associates
"...But perhaps the bigger question here is why in god's name do straight (sp?) people come to this site at all. Its all fair and good to be supportive. But there are some things that straight people can never relate to, nor sympathize with because they will never experience anything like it- like coming out. And if you are a little boy and like to kiss girls, why would you think about kissing guys? Personally the thought of kissing a girl is grotesque, that is why I am not on straight relationship boards- because I just don't relate to them...."
says it all etgen! my point exactly!
People like you shout at people for saying words such as "fag" and "gay". Frankly, whos cares about if youre straight or gay on here! Don't you want to bring everyone closer together. Why do you want to separate people. It seems to me like you hate heterosexuals! You just as bad as people who hate homosexuals!
"To truly see a person, you must first close your eyes."
ok first off? wher ethe fuck do you get off making a statement like that about me? I have never spoken to you before and you nothing of me. I frequently use the words fag and gay. get off yer little block dickhead, where did i ever say i shouted at people like that? anyone who takes the time to chat with me knows. so stop makeing staements like that "monkeyboy" and get a fucking life.
I personally don't think we should allienate anyone.. it is just as bad as the hetero's then, and we want to be better than them... as long as no one starts gay bashing, then I am fine with them being here.
yay, thank you!
who cares who posts here? we're all young right? and questioning..it doesn't say only questioning sexual orientation right? it could mean questioning something else..i'm proud to be gay and sure there are some things that my straight friends cant relate to but few. lets take love..we all experience love and crushes right? does it matter with who we fall in love with? everyone can offer advice on that as well as many other topics. i say everyone can be welcomed here straights have problems too maybe not the same as ours but we arent that different.
A gay man can not give a straight woman as good advice as a straight woman can give a straight woman advice. Yes we all have problems, but this site is for people who are gay who have problems. The internet is about specification: there are sites for every type of person- straight women hippie village, sporty straight Jewish African Americans, Right-wing bald-headed homophobic Nazi's &c... This is a gay site. There is no need to pollute this site with straight people. Do you see me going to an all straight woman's socialist website? I think not.
pollute? isnt that a little harsh? yeah this is a queer site focussed on queer issues but i have nothing against straigh ppl coming here and offering their opinions. are we being heterophobic by telling them they arent allowed here? arent we the ones looking for equal rights?
h9ow can a straight person offer advice to someone about somthing they cannot relate to? gay things? boy boy crushes girl girl crushes, coming out? how can a straight person relate?
I think that there's a wall, yes, you're right about that. But there is a time and place to give straight folk some credit. Perhaps you are right, and it shouldn't be here. But we can't build an exclusively gay community to surround ourselves with in every aspect of our lives. It prevents growth.
And eTgen, if this site is just for, as you put it, "gay people with problems", well, what the hell am I doing here? I've no problem with being gay. I thought the site was a "writing community for queer and questioning youth." In which case I do belong here, being close to the edge of youth and definitely a lesbian.
This brings up the question of the label "queer" in general. But I will go start a new thread in the forums about it. :-)
How do you propose we keep the straights out exactly?
Only allowing people who have passed their gay license to get accounts.
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damn. I've never been a good test taker. does that mean I can't stay if I fail??
I am sleep deprived and my words are short and maybe so is my temper.
But are you people listening to yourselves? They, the straights...blah blah blah.
We're people. Regardless of who we fuck or who we love.
And that's my comment. That there's othering going on here in a pretty glaringly divisive way.
And sitting around othering breeders is just as disgusting as sitting around othering the queers.
Historian of The Movement To Free Ommpa loompa Land From The Tyrannical Rule Of The Evil Capitalsitic Despot Willy Wonka And Associates
Here here Jules!
I find myself becoming more and more disgusted with the attitudes in some of this community. This is a community, not a place for petty bashing of others. In the classic Oasis, there was a straight girl who wrote a column for awhile. I thought she rocked, bringing in a different perspective on queer issues, seeing it from the flip side of the coin. Would you ban her now? If my best friend decided to check this place out, would you attack her too?
And what message is this sending to straight people that might happen upon Oasis randomly? That queer people are just as petty, brash, offensive, rude, and hating of those different from them as anyone you'll find at a KKK gathering? I find more disgusting rudeness and bigotry at Oasis than at almost any other site I frequent, and frankly I'm not here at Oasis much anymore because of those attitudes.
Just some thoughts. And Goddess knows I'll be attacked for them.
"I'm never sure if I have gender dysphoria or species dysphoria. I often try to explain that I'm really a starfish trapped in a human body and I'm very new to your planet." ~ Patrick Califia
the sentiment I was trying to get across.
Chief Political Right Hand Woman to Ceo, Founder and First Member of The Movement to Free Oompa Loompa Land from the Tryanicall Capitalsitic Despot Willy Wonka
how incredibly petty people can become. JB I completely agree with you in the statement that this is not a gay/straight alliance, and why on earth a straight person would want to visit this site is beyond me. But once again, we (and i use the term loosely) have turned this into something ugly. Why must we always make this into something personal? This is a discussion forum, not a place to bash eachother. The phrase "think before you speak" comes to mind.
I post on BeliefNet all the time, and I've found that some of the straight people there know more about gay rights and homosexuality/bisexuality than the gay and biseuxal people do. I think we are missing an excellent opportunity to share insights and gather outside opinions if we disallow straights from posting here.
On the flip, some straight people might come here just to ask questions. Some might be questioning if their gay but just use the label straight, cause that's all their familiar with.
We should be more opening. We can't close the doors just because the doors have been closed on us many times before. Reverse discrimination gets us nowhere.
(SIDE NOTE: And don't think I'm talking about affirmative-action, because I am strictly for it. If you have any questions on that read the "I support the war" thread.)
By the way, BNet has a section for pagans and atheists too. There are challenge & critique threads, and you get to see just how much people really believe what they say they believe. Might wanna check it out some time. (Hint, hint.)
It's funny that you claim to be so superior to Americans, and yet you're the one who resorts to name calling and sweeping generalizations.
I would gladly welcome supportive straight people to post here. As evidenced by the many conversations following my recent coming-out to a friend of mine, a lot of straight people are genuinely curious about gay people, culture, what growing up gay is like, and so forth. While I admit that I can get pretty vitriolic and judgemental sometimes when it comes to political discussions, I don't appreciate people, queer or otherwise, who only use this site as a forum to insult people.
No, having a doctorate doesn't make you better than everyone else, but Linds neither said nor implied that it does. On the other hand, having a doctorate does indicate a high level of education and knowledgeability, and I'll take the reasoned opinions of a doctorate-holding American far more seriously than your insults and inflammatory rants.
Is that Oasis is a website for queer and questioning teens.. I have no problem if straight people comment, or even post on the site.
The site's target audience isnt tainted in any way by straight people being allowed on the site. To disallow anyone based on sexual preference is wrong.. wether you are disallowing someone based on the fact that they are straight , or on the fact that they are gay.. it's the same thing.
I will however not allow bashers on the site, but until the time when straight people come to the site to abuse our other users ...i dont see myself suspending anyone's account (and yes... locking them out of registering new accounts) , and even then it's a behavioural issue.
This us vs them stuff is just bull crap , i am not playing the hatred game.
Thank you adrian... You rock.
Many people are complaining that Hetrosexuals cannot possibly understand many of the issues that we gay fellows face. This is perhaps true. If this is the case, however, there must be issues that WE as Homosexuals cannot comprehend; issues that are of paramount importance to some of the "queers" who use this site.
Take for example this hypothetical scenario. "I'm not sure if I should come out to my best-freind, a guy who I know is straight. I wonder what his reaction will be, and I wonder how best to do it." Now we gay guys may have had people come out of the closet to us, but we don't know what it is like for a straight guy in a situation like this. If this issue came up here, and it does from time to time, would it not be a good idea to have hetrosexuals here to tell us what "comming out" is like from THEIR perspective?
An excellent example. Well said.
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JB, this is not your Oasis. I wish you would realize that before you berate others, regardless of their sexual orientation, self-mutilation habits, etc. If you don't understand why straights would want to post here, ask them, don't immediately take the offensive.
I have no problem with heterosexual people posting here; any insight they offer is welcome. While this site may claim to be "a Writing community for queer and questioning youth," I think in the bigger scheme of things that this is just a place for queer and questioning youth to feel accepted. Any advice, be it comments or posts from heterosexuals, only helps to further that cause.
JB, this is not your Oasis. I wish you would realize that before you berate others, regardless of their sexual orientation, self-mutilation habits, etc. If you don't understand why straights would want to post here, ask them, don't immediately take the offensive.---
well adbak, this si a discussion forum is it not? can I not make a post for discussion? who said it was my oasis, I never said it was. seems you have some issues maybe with the fact that I have something to say maybe? or is it that what i have to say doesn't conform to "your" ideals?
further more, I have conversed with "heterosexuals" that post here, and I didn't "immediately" "freak out" like you imply. you shouldn't make accusations like that adbak. they can get you in trouble.
JB, if your intention is truly to
so maybe we should all post Jeopardy style?
We should post in the way that best gets our message across; that does not mean that we have to be politically correct. If you want to win an argument, you must appear to be the better person. Telling heteros to "go away" doesn't really win the crowd over.
at least I have the Balls to say it. but then agina, having enough balls to say something is not "admirable"