the uk and us - war

alice's picture

What do people from other countries think of the UK in light of the war. Cus as you have probably noticed pepole aren't too pleased with the US at the moment and the country (not the majortiy of people in general) is not very popular. But do people dislike the UK as well because they are potentially going to go to war, (despite the policticans and people not wanting to).

Boygasmo's picture

Dont forget

Blair , the Uk's prime minister is also gung ho on supporting Bush to go forth for war with Iraq. They are both being cocky. I am against the war and I dont like the concept of more people dying and repeating the same tormol again. The sufferings and shit like that.

JB's picture

US

The way it looks to me right now, is that the US is acting like a child haveing a temper tantrum. 75% of the world opposes the war on Iraq, and the US is whineing about weapons of mass destruction, but provided no proof, and demanding the world be "with us or them" the US is jumping up and down, waiveing hands in the air, acting childish. France Germany and Russia are thier own countries, thier own governments. meaning? they can do what they want, choose to go to war with who they want and when they want. They don't exist to serve W.

JB
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Boygasmo's picture

more like

Waving their cocks

linds's picture

one more time

Just in case you forget it. The government and the people are separate entities.

The majority of US folk think war is inevitable. That does not mean that they want to go. A slim majority don't want to go at all, and a larger majority only want to go with UN backing.

It's Dubya/Cheney Corp. that is doing the "cock-waving". Not the rest of us.

~Linds

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ebonyquill's picture

Not Needed

I think Alice made that clear when she started the topic.

jeff's picture

Technically...

They don't need to find any weapons of mass destruction, or anything new for that matter. Saddam's already shown that he has violated the treaty that ended the last war by keeping missiles and other things that were forbidden. Proof of a new threat is more what the media and such are interested in, all the inspectors have to find is that they haven't disarmed their weapons, destroyed missiles, etc., etc. And as much as the inspectors are noting progress, that is technically irrelevant, since this was all supposed to have been done years ago. Not that he'll do it now just because we're focused on him again.

Jeff

JB's picture

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Whats upsetting about the situation, is that the US will not let other countries govern themselves and insisting they go to war. countries do not have to drop everything and go to war just because the US says so.

JB
Vice President and Drug Tzar of The Movement To Free Ommpa loompa Land From The Tyrannical Rule Of The Evil Capitalsitic Despot Willy Wonka And Associates

Piccolo's picture

A British perspective

I have to admit that we Brits aren't too keen on Bush right now! Equally, we're not exactly hot on Blair.

It interested me that when I was in Spain (most of you will know by no that the Spanish PM, Aznar, is in league with Bush'n'Blair), there was a real feeling of anti-Blairism. More so than anti-Bush. This is going to sound horrifically rude, so I'll just stress that it's not my personal opinion, but people in Europe seem to think that the USA can't help it. The spoilt rich brat of the world "waving its cock" and Boygasmo delicately put it(!), and lashing out at the nearest small country to bully.

So there you have it, in most parts of Europe it seems to me that they think Blair is letting the side down... and Bush is just continuing in the grand tradition of American Presidents... interpret that as you will.

Kate

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unicornz's picture

hmm

to me its seems blair is less threatning because he doesnt seem as serious and hasty as bush. also its a smaller country. i think war is retarded and im happy bejing went against it because we got another wad of people there, so that helps. i dont think bush makes a good leader and i feel bad for the us right now, especially with all thats on the news. its hard to make an opinion when all you see is hussein-the next hitler, on tv. but anyways i agree, war is stupid and i cant believe its still going on.

-unicornz

Scruffy the Vampire Slayer's picture

Ireland relating to Bush and Blair

In Ireland us jets can refuel at shannon airport which has cause uproar. I'm sure you heard about the protests and there was a big one in Dublin. Most irish people are against war and the politicains are trying th walk the fine line of pleaseing everyone at the moment.
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suffragettecity's picture

I appreciate the total lack o

I appreciate the total lack of support for Bush's sociopathic warmongering displayed by the Chinese, French and Germans.

In China, when I'm talking to cab drivers, my students, etc., I only hear about the US' plans to attack Iraq, but I don't here anything about the UK, Spain, Denmark, or even Israel. It's just my opinion, but maybe it's because Bush is a better "icon" for people to despise than Tony Blair, Ariel Sharon, and so forth. After all, Bush is, to speak English English, a bloody fuckwit.

suffragettecity's picture

I appreciate the total lack o

I appreciate the total lack of support for Bush's sociopathic warmongering displayed by the Chinese, French and Germans.

In China, when I'm talking to cab drivers, my students, etc., I only hear about the US' plans to attack Iraq, but I don't here anything about the UK, Spain, Denmark, or even Israel. It's just my opinion, but maybe it's because Bush is a better "icon" for people to despise than Tony Blair, Ariel Sharon, and so forth. After all, Bush is, to speak English English, a bloody fuckwit and a bawstud.

doom monkey's picture

I agree with you I too hate

I agree with you. I too hate Bush and wonder how he won a second term. If only the people in my country werent so blind, or brain dead, we could actually make some progress.

Barralai's picture

Sorry World, their is only so

Sorry World, their is only so much Democrats can do..
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w8tin4life's picture

bush is stupid. thats it.

bush is stupid. thats it.

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NovaCat's picture

The difference between Blair

The difference between Blair and Bush, though, is that Bush has accomplished nothing good, except for helping to unify the American people (and indeed, the world) after September 11th, something which he all too quickly fucked up. Yes, Blair hastily agreed and threw his lot in with Bush on the Iraq invasion business without checking the facts and assuring the UK citizens that there was sufficient evidence, but, frankly, that's the only thing I can think of that he's done wrong. Blair and the rest of the Labour Party having a majority in Parliament has been, overall, a very good thing for the UK. Their economy is booming, while the US Dollar plummets.

I've always liked Tony Blair. When he went along with Bush on the War in Iraq, my response was basically, "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?! YOU'RE SMARTER (and better) THAN THAT!!!" But alas, his reputation is permanently broken because of that stupid decision. At least Labour still has a majority and the PM seat. The conservative candidate running against him had a platform that basically consisted of: "The war in Iraq was EXACTLY the right thing to do, but Blair went in on false evidence, so he sucks . . . and so does Labour economics".

So, both Blair and Bush went hastily into war on flawed intelligence reports. But compare the other differences. We're sitting here in the US with a public education system underfunded at best, many states have already passed state amendments banning gay marriage AND all forms of civil unions, our economy is all over the place, our currency sucks, the government is overrun with neoconservative religious zealots while many more on the sidelines are throwing money at them to keep going (like Pat Robertson, who stated on national television that the liberal judges in the federal judiciary was a more serious threat to the US than September 11th, Hitler, and the Civil War). Frankly, Blair, despite his war in Iraq fiasco, doesn't sound bad at all.

starweaver's picture

war (and peace?)

ok, personally, I am a pacifist - I don't like conflict and for me, I don't really like countries even. However, war is unevitable from time to time, but that does not prove the point of Bush/Blair. I agree that war should happen as historical fact - it pushes civilization forward, it brings out the extremes in people. The UK is special in its own special way; the British Empire once spanned 1/4 of the land mass on Earth, and that is no mean feat - yet its knowledge of war and warfare has not gone down well with the present government or indeed the general view of the top members of the Labour government.
Lord Montgomery once laid out his rules of warfare: 1) do not attack Moscow, 2) do not place your armies in China... and many others, including some that attacked the idea of war itself. History exists, iff the people who remember agree to remember. Tony Blair is one of those people who, I believe, will write history for what he has done much like Thatcher and Clinton (politically, wasn't he like sex between the Bushes?). Anybody can change history, but to write it is a feat by itself. The UK is viewed thus in a slightly less positive light, but there is no concensus, I think, that people dislike the UK as a result of the war itself.
The advocacy of war by the British may have brought down results in polls (if there exist any) of opinions of the United Kingdom, but the fundamental essence, I think, of the country that gave us parliamentary democracy, Gardener's Question Time, neutrons and random literary jargon has not been damaged. Someone once said, a British man in a pub will become an American after he's had 10 pints, and however you might interpret that, it will always shine through that the impressions of the British people and the UK will always be a good one.
I'm not British myself, but I've been to many different places to stay for long periods of time and personally I think the UK, regardless of the war or not, would not be disliked - if ever, it would be seen as one of humanity's great triumphs to create such a magnificent country with its odd eccentricities. Without it, we would certainly miss 'Sir's and 'Dame's, English breakfasts, countrymen hunting foxes (unspeakables in pursuit of uneatables), and the odd comment about disastrous weather. If anyone were to categorize or make stereotypes of the British people, they ought to be ashamed of themselves (gosh I sound like a grandmother). You certainly would miss all the scousers, geordies and glaswegians!

Paladin's picture

I'd be inclined to agree

Being at an international school, where I think I do have a pretty good sense of everyone's opinions, I don't think that the Iraq war, or most of the other things that have happened since 11th September 2001, are going to have much of a lasting effect on the way people perceive both countries. Sure, for the past few years every joke and insult has been about Bush. But it just takes a bit more propoganda from American television, and most seem to tame their views on America.

As for Britain, most of my teachers are British, so Brits are thought of in a positive light.

Dave

Emmett's picture

U.S.

I'm really not a big fan of California but I've never see the rest of the U.S. I can't really speak for the whole U.S. but with this president, the U.K. seems like the best place in the world to live. The new land of the free.

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