YouTube: Ask a Gay Man (Closet Edition)

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underdarkness's picture

Living proof that the gay

Living proof that the gay stereotype wasn't pulled out of thin air...

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jeff's picture

I'm been watching...

William's videos for a while now. Love him!

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hellonwheels's picture

That was...

The most stereotypical, annoying and stupid thing I have ever watched!

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

underdarkness's picture

Whoa, slow down.

Okay, yes, it was stereotypical, but the only reason why you found it so annoying is that you still probably have a bit of internal homophobia. I did for a while too. It made me hate anything that seemed outwardly gay, like this guy and rainbows. Now, I actually have a rainbow patch on my bag. Yes, my man bag.

You're not a stereotype. Okay, who cares? Some people are different. We should embrace all different parts of our diverse community, not hate one because it's the stereotypical part.

I'd be willing to bet that Jeff is at least a little bit stereotypical. He lives in the Castro district, he loves this video and I'm pretty sure he was wearing something pink and fluffy in one of his MySpace pictures... We all think he's great, right? Sure, he might not always understand us because he's a different generation, but he's a good guy.

So, I'm not stereotypical in any way but I have a ton of friends who are. They're still cool!

I think that the stereotype of "GAY" is funny, not so much annoying. I understand that most gay people aren't like that, but damn it, they're a part of our community. So, embrace, don't hate because then you're just being another homophobe.

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hellonwheels's picture

I AM a HOMOPHOBE...

Genius...and rednecks like me don't even fit into your so-called 'gay community'. Sorry if I am seeming like an ass, but I hate that idea of the 'gay community/ subculture'...just because it was there in the 60's and 70's, doesn't mean it has to exist today. Honestly, I hate it whenever anyone talks on 'behalf' of the 'gay community'...yet only a part of the so-called community thinks/ acts like they do. not all gays fit into the stereotypes, and just because you are gay, it doesn't mean you have to like other ppl who do adhere to the stereotypes. And I will NEVER wear a rainbow of any kind, nor a pink triangle. Just because the Nazis forced gays to wear 'em in the 1940's, it doesn't mean that a little pink triangle or a rainbow flag should define who I am...and why the hell should I be 'proud' of a choice I didn't make? I don't agree w/ you at all man. sorry.

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

underdarkness's picture

All I am saying is that you

All I am saying is that you need to be just as accepting of people who are stereotypical as you want the entire world to be of you.

It pisses me off when "open-minded" gay people get all bent out of shape about stereotypes. Who the fuck cares if some gay guy wears rainbows and has a walk-in closet? Well, you do, but you shouldn't because the guy in that video is just being himself.

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jeff's picture

Stereotypical... blah

I'm rather boring, actually. Masculine. Don't wear makeup, do drag. Not at all flamy or anything, although I once aspired to be, but alas, I don't think it's my personality...

That said, i specifically post stuff like this to challenge people's internalized homophobia, which I do believe exists.

I mean, if you are comfortable with yourself and your sexuality, then nothing anyone else does can affect you. Most of the time people don't want the gay community speaking for them, they are not speaking for themselves because they are often closeted. So, hard to complain about how you are represented if you're not speaking out anyway.

As for pride, I don't think you should be proud of being gay, but the pride is fully accepting yourself and all of that journey in a society that is still not ready for it. Whenever I go to gay pride events, you can tell the people who drove long distances and flew to be here, they just take it all in with a crazy wonderment that us jaded ghetto denizens have long since lost. This is the gayest they'll be all year, the most they will feel comfortable.

When you look on the world stage, the situation is often worse. In the past year, two gay teens were hung for being gay in Iran. People are imprisoned in many places for it. there are secret societies in the most oppressive regimes where people need to connect.

So, yeah, if you grow up white and in America, yo uget the option of deciding if this is a big deal. That's called progress. But, when i go to gay pride, when I cheer out slogans the person on stage asks us to, I do it because (despite feeling stupid), there are thousands upon thousands of people who wish they had that opportunity.

I like the pink triangle because people like me were forced to wear them for the same feelings being in their head that are in mine. I owe it to them to live openly. I like the rainbow flag because it represents a freedom that we haven't achieved yet.

Do these things define me? Not really.

I think that until people accept everyone in our community, from the most boring gay banker to the most outrageous drag queen, we haven't arrived as a community yet. And, if seeing someone like William offends people, that is something that needs to be resolved within them. He obviously plays it up for the camera, but that is who he is. It doesn't define you, it is just him. If you have a problem with him, the problem is yours.

As for deciding how the world should be? Waste of time. There will always be drag queens and leather men and naked motorcycle-riding lesbians with mastectomy scars among us. If a TV channel asks someone leaving a football game how the game was, they are representing the "football community," like it or not. Of course, the gay community isn't an actual thing anyway. It's more of a concept.

I can't wait for the day when this site is stupid because it's pointless. And when the gay community is a silly classification because we are so integrated with the broader community. But on that day, I'll still accept the pink triangle to remember the thousands of gay people who died needlessly, and the rainbow flag because of Harvey Milk and those gay teens in Iran.

Until that day, the fight isn't over.

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underdarkness's picture

Wow...

WELL SAID!!!

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