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Azul's picture

All these people bash me for liking Hillary, yet they don't know why I like her. All they think about is how she's a bitch. They apparently haven't heard of Anne Cut Throat Bitch Coulter...

Then when they say gay rights is a primary thing and they support McCain. He likes the Federal Marriage Amendment quite a lot y'know.

Then they all go on with "you're liberal - blah blah blah".
I like to think of myself as a real person - not an automaton, thank you very much.

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cynical1inthecorner's picture

I support Hillary too and

I support Hillary too and get quite a lot of shit for it; a lot of people I've met / argued with / wanted to bash their heads in 'cause they were so stupid dislike her a lot and can't tell me why.

Actually, I've had quite a few tell me her laugh is creepy. Clearly, a very valid reason to not vote for her.

Anyways, just thought I'd speak up and support another HIllary fan. God knows there aren't enough of us. :]

p.s. Don't mind being called a liberal--it's a good thing!

jeff's picture

Eh...

I support people who support Hillary. And if, sadly, she wins over Obama, I'll support her in November, too.

I'm very clear why I support Obama over her: he is running a campaign based on being positive, whereas she is running negative. Historically, the people who run positive win. Even G.W. Bush ran on a positive message. So, for me, I rather vote for hope and change and wanting the world to be better over fear and we need to protect ourselves and who's going to answer phone calls at 3 a.m., etc.

Hillary openly mocks Obama for running a positive campaign:

Beyond that, there is pragmatism. I think there is a far better chance that independent voters would swing to Obama over McCain in November. So, I'd rather pitch the Democrats' best hope for winning in November. And, usually I'd even pick the winning candidate in that regard over my favored candidate. But, this time, they happen to be the same person.

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PhoenixofVirtue's picture

Hey Azul at least you know

Hey Azul at least you know WHY you're supporting her. She's just too negative for my tastes and she's using dirty tactics to try and get votes and it's not exactly working since Obama has surpassed her in the number of delegates. We'll all see how it'll end in November.

sun_also_rises's picture

I personally don't like any

I personally don't like any of them

Hillary for her policy of universal health care (where to start with that one) other then that I really like her but that's a big no in my book...

Obama b/c he's to ambiguous sure he has a positive campaign and wants change but is anyone sure what kind of change he has in mind?? umm no. and also i don't think he has enough experience to runt he US..I'd vote for him in 8 even 4 years, just not enough experience yet...

McCain..o where to start with this one too, but he does have experience....

"hen they all go on with "you're liberal - blah blah blah"

I understand where you are coming from with this but i say the same exact thing about conservatives

jeff's picture

Based on what measure?

He has more experience as an elected official than Hillary. She only has more experience by her account because she counts being Bill's wife when he was governor and president.

I do support the notion of universal health care, but think we first need to start having health care in this country. Right now, it is all sick care. But I'm unlikely to ever win that argument. It's sort of like when people call me up asking for donations to find a cure for breast cancer. I say, there already is a cure, don't eat animal products or dairy. I must say, though, they didn't have a response to that in their script. :-)

I like the McCain of 2000, when he was more libertarian, against the right-wing, called the religious right agents of intolerance. But, it's almost like he hired Microsoft to upgrade him, and the new version is buggier than the old one.

Also, if Barack is too vague for you, stop waiting for TV to fill in the gaps and go to barackobama.com. It seems pretty spelled out there. But onstage he is more about charisma than coming off as a detail-obsessed policy wonk, which if you recall names such as Gore and Kerry is definitely the way to go.

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Azul's picture

I'm a vegetarian

There are negatives and positives to eating meat.

It's nutritious and has complete proteins, you're less likely to become anemic, there's certain compounds found only in meat and a host of other reasons.

You could wear a lead jacket if you don't want cancer there honey.

jeff's picture

Eh...

Meat is only more nutritious for people who don't eat healthy, balanced veggie diets. Iron deficiency and everything else isn't cured by meat, but because people don't eat the things that the cow does, namely dark, leafy greens. Everything that is healthy about dead animal flesh is based the diet the animal had that is healthier than the people who are eating the cow. Same with people eating fish because they want omega-3 fatty acids. This isn't unique to fish, it is available in flaxseed as well as dark green veggie, like seaweed, where the fish got it.

As for things being complete, that is unnecessary. Our body has the ability to change the micronutrients we take in into the form we need them to be to process them and get their benefit. Jumping one step by using what the cow's body naturally processed for it doesn't make it any more useful to us. We could make the same complete forms of things on our own, rather than eat it that way.

The only vitamin not available to veg*ns that is in meat is Vitamin B12, but that is a vitamin found on bacteria, not meat, so by nature of eating a rotting animal corpse, you get B12. B12 is also found in soil for the same reasons, which is where the cow, once again, got it in the first place. And, veggies used to get it in trace elements found on the veggies, but these days, the veggies are so cleaned up first, there is no B12 left. If you have a garden, you probably get enough B12, since you're not scrubbing the stuff as much as industrial food processors do before it hits grocery stores. Otherwise, can supplement.

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Azul's picture

Still...

There are still compounds found only in animals that deal with how the human body uses energy. Those compounds are found only in animals. They can't be supplemented without the use of animal products.

Then from the perspective of the cuisine industry - meat carries certain textures and flavors that cannot be replicated. Nothing absorbs flavor like chicken because you can cook chicken in so many ways - while other products you can't.

Then being a vegan... Butter is one of the most important ingredients in cuisine. It's the basis of crusts, soups, frying, browning, caramel, condiments, certain breads and so many more.

Leisa's picture

Hillary Clinton is a well

Hillary Clinton is a well oiled political machine and machine politics never end well. She also publicly said that McCain could do a better job running the country than Obama, cardinal sin number one to make supportive statements about your opponent. When Hillary started out in politics she was a Republican (before she met Bill) so I guess maybe her true colors are showing? Anyway, as Jeff said, I'll be voting for her in November if the American people screw up yet again in choosing candidates.

jeff's picture

Hilarious...

I like how Hillary extended the notion today that she would accept Barack as her running mate. He has an amazing video response to that, which wonders why the person with the most delegates and in first place would concede to be the running mate of the person who is not yet winning the primary, heh.

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-Ruby-'s picture

TEAM BILLARY

and i like Bill better than Hill.
Bill's smart, and despite Hillary's creepiness and negativity, you know they'll be running the country together with tons of political experience.
Bill is a smart guy. Not just politically, but "street-smart" as well. even though he has made some obvious mistakes, he still knows what he's doing, most of the time. at least he knows that if ur gonna get an extra-marital blowjob, get it from a jewish girl- they give the best head. [it's true... we DO].
:-D

Leisa's picture

Bill Clinton wasn't all that

Bill Clinton wasn't all that great of a President actually. Yes, he's smart, really smart. But that doesn't change the fact that he dropped bombs, cut welfare for those who need it most, approved the defense of marriage act, and pandered to business interests, need I go on?
Yes he balanced the budget, which in itself is a good thing, but not enough.

sun_also_rises's picture

Universal health is

Universal health care is basically like communism, in an ideal word it will exist but not here.

barackobama.com -- obviously its his website (or at least in support of him) so of course it is going to make him sound good and what not...

Sure he's very charismatic but, for me, i don't vote for my politicians on appearance or charisma, though I'm sure it plays a part for some people --namely the younger generation, which is why they are voting for him --
I vote on issues and for me...that's all Obama is charisma.

jeff's picture

So...

First, you claim he's too ambiguous. So, I point you to where you can get specific issues and how he plans to address them, and you claim it's biased cuz it's his site?! Umm, so... your position is defendable ignorance? The media doesn't go deep into issues, and I'm lazy, so how am I supposed to know anything?

If you claim to vote on issues, but don't investigate the issues, how do you know the issues or at least the candidates responses to those issues? I say go to Barack's website, go to Hillary's, go to McCain's, watch some debates, see how they measure up on things that matter to you. By all means, don't count on the media for this stuff. They are busy parsing sentences like retired grammar librarians in a Boston Marriage... hmm, Obama is for change, but Hillary is for delivering change, but McCain doesn't carry any change only bills. Stay away from what passes for news coverage.

I never said or implied he was only charismatic. Bush for being a complete freak show still has his own charisma. He seems to be a likeable guy to some. People even said they wanted to have a beer with that recovering alcoholic, so that is clearly a measure of how people think. Bill Clinton, like Barack, had both, he was big on charisma and able to get down into the details.

Again, well thought out on health care, if we can't do it perfectly, we shouldn't do it at all. I can see why you aren't big on Barack and his optimism. :-)

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