Azul's picture

So I've been a lacto-octo-vegetarian for about 3 moths shy of a year now and recently I've decided to explore whether or not I want to eat meat or not.

This all started a week before Thanks Giving. I decided to give up meet, for reasons I'm not exactly sure. I just remember my dog's dinner and felt utter repulsion to meet when I was separating the chicken out. I immediately started gagging and feeling sick. I decided to become a vegetarian at that instance. It was to my grand parent's, well at least my grandmother's, dismay.

My grandparents, especially my grandmother, are post-children for the Social Register 65 years ago. They're WASP's, conservatives (my grandfather less, but not as much), they have old money and their families were active in the world. Needless to say, they're very classical.

My grandmother thought it was absurd that I made such a decision, while my grandfather didn't particularly feel anyway about it. There's also a tradition in my family where my grandfather gives each grandchild 100$ for Thanks Giving (Weird, I know. Who really gives out money on Thanks Giving? You give out food). Anyway, so my grandfather told me that I should go buy some vegetables with the money as a joke to sort of lessen any negatives feelings I might have been feeling from my grandfather's criticism (Though I didn't feel any criticism). So that's been a joke ever since between him and I.

I don't mean to make my grandmother seem uptight, mean or nasty at all. She's a cool person. I asked her what the most important moment in her life was and she said "Meeting your Grandfather, George". Made me smile.

Anyway, I started the exploration about 2 weeks ago. I tried a bit of chicken and I couldn't swallow. You see, things that aren't homogenized in texture gross me out. I like things that are uniform like yogurt, tofu, beans, cheese, radishes, carrots, yams and lettuce. Meat has tough spots and fat veins, I'm am completely grossed out by that.

Then in Maine up at my family's estate, I tried lobster. I couldn't swallow the tail. It was way too tough, another reason I don't like meat.

So I guess this exploration is done with. Nothing's changed, I still don't like meat and I don't want to eat. I'm not concerned about protein or iron intake anymore either. If the Kikuyu's people were able to live to 100 about 200+ years ago eating a vegetarian diet, than I should be fine.


jeff's picture


Your grandmother's issue with you eating meat (cow, pork, or human cock) is ultimately just that, her issue.

Ovo-lacto is a good start, although if you're doing it for the any animal cruelty/compassion issues, then you're still hitting what are arguably the cruelest ends of animal agriculture. At least cows that are slaughtered die instantly, compared to egg-laying hens and milk-producing cows (who suffer for quite sometime and are THEN slaughtered). Which isn't to say that cows raised for slaughter are raised humanely until they are slaughtered, either, of course.

So, I'd explore being vegan more than going to the other side of things and demanding that animals be killed for your sustenance, which you already know isn't necessary.

Good places to start:

Compassionate Cooks has a great podcast by Colleen Patrick Goudreau (who wrote The Art of Vegan baking, which could also give you vegan waffle recipes that will hold up to any discerning palette). I recommend that a lot.

I'm in the middle of reading Quantum Wellness by Kathy Freston, and it really is a good book as to making compassionate choices that connect who you are spiritually to your actions.

From the animal protein = cancer fuel side, you can read The China Study by T. Colin Campbell.

I haven't read any great books yet about environmental impacts of animal consumption, since they only seem to be mentioned by animal rights based authors, so I never trust them to do anything but give their side of the story, numbers be damned. I know they tend to use long-disproved numbers about how many gallons of water it takes to produce one pound of beef, etc.

Good books on vegan diets and health also exist from Dr. John McDougall (whose diet I primarily follow). I especially like his DVD lectures he's been turning out recently. Reviews of which I put up on my other site,

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Azul's picture

Whoa, Woah, Whoa Buddy, do

Whoa, Woah, Whoa Buddy, do you think I live in California or something? For chris sakes, I live in Vermont. Booth Brothers: local, antibiotics free, Stoney Field: local, antibiotics free, organic, The Organic Cow (by far my favorite): local, antibiotic free, organic, Hood: local antibiotics free (dairy). River Berry Farm: organic, pesticide free, free range less than a mile away local (egg).

These cows and hens live a good ol' life bud. No cruelty, no injections and almost all the local brands are grass fed.

It's a little known thing, but Vermont is said to be about 20 years ahead of everyone else in terms of agriculture. We've ditched the industrial method of agriculture and have started to go back to local agriculture. Burlington Farmer's market every Saturday. Westford Farmer's market every Friday.

Ever heard of King Arthur Flour? Pretty famous brand, it's from Vermont. Never Bleached—Never Bromated. They also offer a couple of organic products.

Ben and Jerry's of Vermont. Organic fair trade vanilla ice cream. All their farms are currently "green"

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Err, I live in California, and being organic is required to sell at our farmer's market, and all comes from local, sustainable farms within 100 miles or so... although I still think organic, "humane" animal-based products are a bit oxymoronic.

I also don't think there is anything completely cruelty-free when it involves animal agriculture. Because as soon as they stop producing milk and laying eggs at the right rate, then they become steak and McNuggets, so if anything it is delayed cruelty. Of course, keeping the cows in a state of perpetual lactation and hooking them to machines to milk them, still... not cruelty-free.

Also, since I think animal products are the causes of all leading chronic conditions and that animal proteins are proven to fuel cancer growth, then it still eventually leads down unhealthy paths, albeit slower if you're eating less of because you're ovo-lacto.

And Ben of Ben & Jerry's had a quintuple heart bypass in 2001 to clear blocked arteries. So, yeah, if your goal is be at higher risk for organic chronic conditions and grow fair trade cancer cells, then I suppose that's fine. :-)

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Not River Berry Farm. They

Not River Berry Farm. They don't do the silly stuff with production quotas.

And I was simply joking about California. California seems to be the progressive rival to Vermont. We adopt same sex unions, they have to adopt domestic partnerships. Oh, they have to trump us with gay marriage. And you get the picture. Vermont does have that nice ol' pure blue look in presidential and congressional elections, while California doesn't...

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We can't be held responsible for Southern California... on the upside, it being one state means we sort of nullify a lot of their conservative votes.

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I live in socal and my families perfectly sane!

But yeah..... your right. Its incredibly conservative where I live.

And about giving money, my grandpa does that too but in a different way.
He collects quarters all year and at thanksgiving all the grandkids sit around him in a circle and he doles out the quarters one by one It's usually only around 12 dollars, but hey its a good memory.

Azul's picture

which is where I feel

which is where I feel electoral colleges fail...