GLM is Dead, But Another Project Is Afoot. Interested???

Anonymous's picture

Hey guys,

First, just a short word on the GLM project and why it is now officially dead. When the idea was initially posted, and I agreed to shepherd it, we had tons of people sign up and say that they'd get involved. When the time came to submit material, however, we got only a handful of submissions. They were mostly poems and very short prose pieces. All put together, they might have filled ten pages. I extended the deadline, which did nothing but get more people promising to submit who never did. Then a few months later, after pressure from people to give it another try, I posted a new sign-up sheet and did the whole she-bang again...with exactly the same result. After that, I admitted defeat. One day in the distant future, when my publishing house has expanded and I have the funds I need to sponsor and publish it, I may revive the project and expand the submission pool to include facebook, The GYC, Myspace and other forums, but don't look for this to happen anytime soon. Having been burned on it twice, it is now on the bottom of my priorities list.

Now for the good news: If there are budding prose writers out there who are pining for a meaningful project, I will consider leading one this winter for up to five kids (kids meaning people 18 or under, not baby goats), but only if I know that I'm going to get serious participants. It would involve writing an original queer-themed story of between 2000 and 3000 words (that would be approximately 8-12 typed pages double-spaced). I still have to think up the theme and the rest of the rules and the exact dates, which I will do and post before Christmas if the interest is there. This would require a real commitment of time, involving not only writing an outline and the story itself, but also rewriting it - as I would be editing the stories and giving them back to you several times for new drafts. I want it to be fun, but ultimately, the purpose is to introduce you to the writer/editor relationship, give you a real-life collaborative experience, and teach you some valuable lessons on how to write clear, cogent and entertaining prose.

Now, if I go ahead with this, I will be picking the participants based strictly on submissions. Age, sex and prior friendship with yours truly will matter not one whit - only talent will count. The project duration would be about three months from beginning to end, which should give everyone enough time to do your regular school work and still give this the serious effort it will require. It will cost you nothing (I am donating all my time and covering any expenses involved myself), and those of you who successfully complete the project will get a nice certificate, as well as a written evaluation which, if you work hard and get a good one, could be a very nice addition to a college app.

Are you interested? Ready and willing to make a serious commitment in exchange for a valuable (and fun) learning experience? If so, PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANYTHING NOW. I would appreciate it, though, if you'd post a reply here and tell me of your interest. You don't have to decide for sure to submit until I've posted the full project specs. You might, however, want to start thinking about what you would submit in order to get picked. I can tell you that all submissions need to be prose... no poetry. I like poetry, but a) I am not qualified to judge poetry, and b) good poetry does not necessarily translate into good prose. If I get enough replies to this post to make me believe there'll actually be submissions, then I'll move ahead and get the project specs finished and posted ASAP.

For those of you who don't know much about me, here's the link to my Oasis interview with Jeff. It will tell you a lot about who I am and why I love working with GLBT kids.

http://www.oasisjournals.com/2007/03/pat-nelson-childs-interview

I hope I get lots of replies to this post, and then a big pile of submissions from which to select my five. A successful project will definitely lead to more; perhaps I can even persuade some other GLBT authors and editors (maybe some poets too!) to contribute their time as well. So let's get fired up and make this one work, okay?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Love to all,
Pat

bulldyke's picture

I would definitely be

I would definitely be interested in working on something like this!! i've written a number of much longer 'gay themed' stories, but would love to have this focus, as well as the feedback.

you say a 'queer themed story'...does that mean it has to be fiction, or can it be a true story? or is that something you'll post near xmas, with the rest of the guidelines? lol

keep us posted! :D

Bulldyke
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Neutrina's picture

I would also be

I would also be interested.
What sort of story? Would fantasy be okay?

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patnelsonchilds's picture

Thanks for the interest

Thanks for the interest guys. Rather than answer individual questions as they trickle in, I'm going to address them all when I post the guidelines for the project, okay? That is, of course, assuming I get enough people interested. I will say that my guidelines are going to be very broad in terms of genre. I want everyone to feel free to be as creative as possible with the theme I announce.

I'm going to give this post a week to collect replies. If there are enough of them, I'll have the guidelines ready within a few days after that. Nobody worry. Qualifying submissions won't be due until after the holidays.

Pat

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Mikki's picture

I'd definatly do something

I'd definatly do something for this. It would be nice to write something fun instead of a research paper for once :)

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Lol-taire's picture

Bollocking face, Pat, I'd do

Bollocking face, Pat, I'd do one but I'm n-n-n-nineteen. I'm a youth though, even if I'm not a kid. Tennesse Williams reduced his age by a couple of years to enter a script writing competition for young writers, and he won.

I wouldn't even want a certificate. Just the editing and feedback.

patnelsonchilds's picture

Lol-taire, See the P.S. on

Lol-taire,
See the P.S. on the post I just did below. If you know anyone else over 18 who wants to do a GLBT writing project, have them let me know here.
Pat

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WantsOut's picture

SIR!!!!!!! The book I

SIR!!!!!!! The book I already sent you is gay themed, just hasn't been mentioned yet!!!!! I'm IN!!!!!!! I'm willing, rather. BUT I hope I'm selected.

Written lovingly for you, yes, ONLY you,

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I'd totally give this a go.

I'd totally give this a go. Sounds awesome. Yay for Pat!

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Lehcure's picture

I've been waiting for an

I've been waiting for an opportunity like this. I'm really interested.

patnelsonchilds's picture

ATTENTION!

I was reminded by Jeff today that people often take a break from Oasis during the holiday season, so I'm going to keep this initial post up, as is, until at least the first week of January in order to give as many people as possible a chance to reply and prepare something to submit later that month. So look for the theme and the rules in mid-January, and for the project to run through April, with several draft deadlines in between.

Remember, you're only saying you'd be interested by replying. You're not committing to anything until you actually submit a qualifying piece for consideration, are chosen, and accept the slot. So if you think this is something you might like to do, by all means let me know. The number of replies I get to this post will decide whether I decide to go forward with the project at all.

If you have questions, go ahead and ask them. If I don't answer them, it's because the answer will be covered in the rules post later on.

Best to all,
Pat

P.S. If you are over 18 and interested in doing a project, reply here and let me know. Depending on how many of you there are, I will either do an entirely different project for you right after this one, or just let you audit this one (rather than giving you one of the 5 slots). Frankly, I'd rather do the first option, so if you're interested, by all means let me know and tell me how old you are.
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bulldyke's picture

I have another

I have another question...I'm turning 18 in late March...am I still qualified to submit/participate if I get accepted?

Bulldyke
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But I have seen thee
And thou art enough.
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patnelsonchilds's picture

If you are 18 or under at

If you are 18 or under at the time the pieces need to be submitted (late January), then you qualify. In your situation, you qualify regardless because it's not "under 18" but "18 and under".

Pat

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bulldyke's picture

Awesome! That's what I

Awesome! That's what I thought, about 18 and under, but wanted to double check...can't wait til this starts!

Thanks!

Bulldyke
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But I have seen thee
And thou art enough.
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jeff's picture

Hmm...

This is exactly the criteria I use on Oasis, only in reverse. :-)

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Riku's picture

I'd love to, but I can't

I'd love to, but I can't trust myself to be able to commit to something like this. I mean, I barley get my homework done. Heh. And plus, I'm not so confident about my writing skills. I don't like showing people my writing. >_>

BUT. If you need some kind of art for like a cover or something, I'm there. If you could give me a prompt (so I'm not totally lost) and a due date (so I don't put it off indefinitely) and like, specs and stuff, I should be able to get something together. I've got a link to my gallery in my profile if you're curious.

I hope this turns out better than last time, because this could be really awesome.

patnelsonchilds's picture

Well, this is not a project

Well, this is not a project for publication, it's more of a fiction writing workshop. If I get this off the ground and successfully completed, I'll do more. Then one day, if I have enough momentum built up here, I may try once more to produce some kind of publication. Having been twice burned on that front, however, I am going to move ahead in small steps.

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the mouse that roared's picture

!

I'm glad you're trying this again, Pat, and I apologize for being one of those people who dropped the ball the first time around. I'm also nineteen, and at some point in the future might like to get involved, but I am pretty busy. Let me know if you need anything small or want to bounce ideas off of me!

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patnelsonchilds's picture

Thanks, hon. This is

Thanks, hon. This is basically a small one-on-one type of workshop, so I have high hopes that it will work out fine, especially since I don't have the whole publication angle to deal with.

Though our earlier attempts at GLM failed, I still consider myself lucky to have gotten to know you, whateversexual_llama and a few others a little bit better. It's one positive thing I have taken away from the otherwise disappointing fiasco.

Hope you are doing well in all things.

Hugs,
Pat

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the mouse that roared's picture

I am doing pretty well! I'm

I am doing pretty well! I'm finally putting myself together in a way that works. I've lost a lot and I'm recovering and I think life is going to be OK. :)

I hope all is well with you too!

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1stTeeka's picture

I think i'm interested

i think I'm interested! i just have to remember to keep checking on here and stuff :P It sounds like a lot of fun XD

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patnelsonchilds's picture

Once we have the five

Once we have the five members, we'll be doing it all via email, so you just need to keep track through the selection process. I'll try and keep the posts as clear and unconfusing as possible, cuz I know these can get kind of difficult to follow.

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Lehcure's picture

so everyone who's interested

so everyone who's interested does their piece for this, and you choose based on the pieces?

patnelsonchilds's picture

No, to determine which five

No, to determine which five will be participating, everyone just has to submit a piece of their previous prose writing. If they don't have any previous prose, then they'll have to write something to submit. But it only needs to be a couple of pages - enough for me to determine who gets the five slots. I mean, I'd love to let everyone participate, but I only have a certain amount of time, and this is going to be a largely one-on-one project with me. So five is all I can handle. Of course, assuming it all comes off well, we'll do more of them.

I'll be posting the complete project rules, including the submission guidelines and the project details right after Christmas, so you can see exactly what it's all about.
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underdarkness's picture

I'd like to submit something

I'd like to submit something too :P

I'm 20 though :(

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loreonpravus's picture

ahhh I can't believe I only

ahhh I can't believe I only stumbled onto this now.

I'd love to do something. I'm in!

patnelsonchilds's picture

FOR THOSE OVER 18

Let me put something different together for you guys, okay? I've done a separate post for you to see how many of you are interested. We'll then work it out accordingly.

Pat

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Uncertain's picture

Signing Up

Hey Pat,
I can't believe I just found this!
I've been away for holiday and just came back now

Can people still sign up? It says not to send anything to you yet right? Sorry I've only skimmed through the thread. I'm very keen though

jacjessen90's picture

Potterhead #1 said I have

Potterhead #1 said I have been writing the criteria for this project for two years!!!! I'm am soooooooooooooo out and IN!!!

P.S. when do you want me to send the rough drafts??

Splash's picture

Hey Jeff, if you read this...

I wonder if it might be a good idea to take the "sticky" status off this thread, since I'm pretty sure the new project's been underway for a while.

Just a thought. :-)

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Thanks...

I've never used that feature in my life, so I had no clue Pat clicked it.

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