PFLAG Pamphlets

Anonymous's picture

Hi Guys!

As I promised WantsOut in an earlier post, I have recreated the PFLAG page on my website, PatNelsonChilds.com. It has all the latest pamphlets by PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians & Gays), including one for parents of trannies, bisexuals, for religious families and even one for GLBT kids themselves. These are all very good, and I highly recommend them for you and your parents.

The direct link to the PFLAG page is:

http://www.patnelsonchilds.com/pflag/pflag.html

You can also find it by selecting the "Links" option on my website's main page.

The pamphlets are in PDF format and can easily be printed and/or saved to your own hard drives. I have tested all the links, so they should work fine, but if you have any problems, just let me know.

I hope these will be of some help to you and your families.

Love and hugs,
Pat

WantsOut's picture

Awesome!!! Thanks

Awesome!!! Thanks Pat.

Written lovingly for you, yes, ONLY you,

WantsOut

hellonwheels's picture

fuck PFLAG

They out you before you even know what you are! Some asshole kid in high school spread a rumor i was gay and the local PFAG CHpter heard abotu it and psycho bitch that heads it, who happend to be an active member of my mom's church outed me before i did. fuckin bastards. that organization exemplifies everything wrong w. the 'gay' community. sorry, but it had to be said

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

jeff's picture

Err...

Hmm, I don't agree with anything you said about P-FLAG. I've never heard of them outing anyone.

Of course, it is largely volunteer. So, you know, it is possible that there is someone in one chapter who did something wrong unintentionally. But someone who runs an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting can just as easily make a mistake with someone they saw "anonymously." In any case, I think you have an issue with a person, or a chapter, but certainly not P-FLAG as a whole.

This certainly needs more detail. How did they out you? And how are *they* responsible for outing you and not the "asshole kid" spreading the rumor?

I did always find it strange that their information is often stored in PDF format, making some kids download a file just to read text formatted the way they like it, and possibly leaving a file somewhere on your computer all about thinking you're gay?

Oasis will (sort of) be adding resources next year, so we can fix that issue soon enough.

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hellonwheels's picture

no jeff.

said rumours spread to the point that PFAG heard about it...and the crazy old lady who heads it outta my mom's ucc church went to my mom when i was 15 and told her i was gay. which prompted her to ask me about it. kinda bullshit. and i DO have a problem w/ PFLAG as an organization. but that's me. you are entitled to your own opinions jeff....but i have never really been down w/ PFLAG or what they stand for...at least not the chapters int he seattle area.

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

patnelsonchilds's picture

I'm very sorry for your

I'm very sorry for your experience, Hell, but to condemn an entire nationwide organization that has helped thousands of families over decades because of the actions of one stupid person is completely unfair - rather like the sweeping judgments against us that we continually try to fight against.

I have never heard any other such complaints about PFLAG, but the pamphlets in question are located on my own website, and can be downloaded anonymously (or read without downloading them), so there's no need to be alarmed in any case.

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hellonwheels's picture

first off...

i have a huge problem w/ the whole 'us' thing. there is no gay community. no one person is alike, and i think that bunching every homosexual person together in one group is wrong to begin with. there are a lot more gays out there that don't and never will identify w/ the so called 'gay community'. myself included. and as far as PFLAG, i didn'rule them out as an organization just by that experience, i don't like them for a number of other reasons. sorry for distracting you post pat, but in my opinion...pflag is a terrible resource for glbt people.

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

patnelsonchilds's picture

No need to be sorry. You are

No need to be sorry. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just want others to be aware that I've been interacting with PFLAG for 25 years, and this is the first such complaint I have heard, whereas I've heard hundreds of good stories about them.

I'll skip the whole "gay community" debate. That, in my opinion, depends entirely on each individual's point of view.
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WantsOut's picture

You're either drunk or being

Hellonwheels, You're either drunk or being irrational.
Get over yourself.

Written lovingly for you, yes, ONLY you,

WantsOut

hellonwheels's picture

nope...neither...

thast shit actually happened when i was in high school. true story. i have never really like pflag as an organization, perhaps because of my interactions w/ the local chapter...but the stuff i said above about my experiences w/ the organization is true. but thank you for adressing my usual paranoia in such a way. lol.

Mental wounds not healing, driving me insane, i'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train- the ozzman

WantsOut's picture

My pleasure. And, frankly,

My pleasure.
And, frankly, there IS a gay community. You're on one of 'em. Really, if you don't identify, I'm sorry, but many do.
Are you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell on a forum, though somehow I get the feeling you're cursing at me...

Where there was once love lies now only sorrow,
where there once was hope lies now only pain.
Yet all's not lost, nay, look to the skies,
Now heaven's found in man's disguise

patnelsonchilds's picture

Hellonwheels is actually a

Hellonwheels is actually a very nice boy, Wants (oops, he's actually officially a man now). He has an occasionally explosive temper, along with some anger management issues from time to time, but he also has a very kind and caring side, and has been very helpful to others here on the big O. I suspect that he would be a fiercely loyal friend to anyone who managed to get to know him, which would probably NOT be an easy thing to do, as trust can be a rather difficult thing for him.

The "wheels" part comes from his love of off-roading, if I'm not mistaken (3-wheelers is it?).

Am I getting all of this wrong, Hell? If so, do straighten me out. I'm just making observations from my several years of reading you here on Oasis. ;)

Let me just say this about the "Gay Community". It isn't just one, monolithic entity, like the Freemasons or something. It has evolved from a once-hidden subculture, desperate to maintain secrecy while finding companionship with others equally oppressed and lonely to basically any group comprised primarily of gay people. Although it isn't absolutely necessary to maintain secrecy for legal reasons anymore (in most places), some still find it necessary for their own reasons. Others just like to occasionally spend time with people who share their attraction to others with the same body parts. As society is still overwhelmingly heterosexual, it's just nice to sometimes be in a group of people who have just that one thing in common with you, even if nothing else. Some people find that sufficiently in their daily lives, so the need for gay bars and gay bowling leagues doesn't exist for them. There are, however, still plenty of areas where gays are not only discriminated against, but where it is physically unsafe for them to be open about who they are. In these areas, the neighborhood gay bar (which is sometimes a 50 or 60 mile trek) is still a haven, and a very necessary component of life (and sanity).

Hugs,
Pat

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