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Bi the Book's picture

If any of you guys need something, try to refrain from using amazon.com. One of my friends is a gay author and they wont list his books. They say that books written by gay authors or on gay topics are "adult" and will not be listed with the others. They say it's a glitch, but this is the second time they have done it. And now authors are getting angry.

Right now I am not going on amazon.com, and I am persuading others not to. You can do whatever you want, but it's just egging on discrimination against gays.

The part that is really annoying is that books with hetero authors that have sex, rape, etc. are not being labeled as adult, but books written by gay authors are. The books don't even have to be on a gay topic, they just have to use the word once or be written by a gay author, and they are labeled "adult"

So if you wanna buy a book or something, use eBay. Anything other than amazon.com. At leased until they get this conflict worked out.

-BTB

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5thstory's picture

Neither is the bible. I

Neither is the bible. I mean, it's rape, murder, sex, lynchings, prostitution, taxes, death, betrayal and a lot of other dark things... and yet, it's a children-level book. Isn't it great to be a hypocrite?! (it isn't. Damn Amazon until they fix the glitch).

" . . . The sun does not shine upon this fair earth to meet frowning eyes, depend upon it." Charles Dickens

jeff's picture

Heh...

Well, as an eBay employee, I'm not opposed to this, but I do think it is just a glitch they are working to fix. I wouldn't really buy into the conspiracy theories running around. Sure, if all gay books are affected, it looks suspicious, but it makes sense that the same system that recommends similar books or makes such connections between authors could also de-rank them all if something was entered into a database improperly.

And when you run a big site like an eBay or an Amazon, I know it seems simple that they should just be able to "fix" the error immediately and it'd be done with. But I know it took me 3-4 weeks to get a typographical error fixed on eBay because that was the soonest it could be done with the methods they use. There's actually a typo on eBay to this day that I can't seem to get fixed no matter how many times I request it. :-)

As I understand it, Amazon had employees called in over the holiday weekend to explicitly work on this, which is above and beyond. So, I wouldn't give this theory much credit, unless you think George W. Bush was smart enough to keep 9/11 quiet, as well.

Do you really think a commerce site would anger people who buy things from them? At what benefit?

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Bi the Book's picture

i dont think its a glitch

i dont think its a glitch cause the exact same thing happened in january, but thye "fixed" it quickly. now they wont change it and hang up on calls my friend sends in. the company he has a book contract with has even called amazon.com and they hang up on them 2. idk tho, idk first hand. just second. untill they figure this whole thing out im jsut gonna stay away from it

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jeff's picture

Well...

Again, it all comes back to... capitalism doesn't pick sides. Why would Amazon not want to sell you books? To believe this, you have to think Amazon doesn't want to sell gay books, which is its business...

I do love how people who run small publishing websites at best also think they understand how billion-dollar e-commerce systems can break, be fixed, and updated. So, the *exact* thing happened in January? Not just something that had the exact result to end users, but the same exact tech issue happened? In which case, you're saying they had an error, fixed it, changed their mind, and broke it again, hoping no one would notice? (Did you know the only way WTC7 could have imploded the way it did was from internal combustion and not from things falling from the other towers?)

I doubt Amazon has said anything about the technical reason behind this. I think their reaction has been "no comment," as any large company would smartly say.

Here's the best look at the issue that wasn't written by a hysterical gay author with conspiracy theories:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/amazon/archives/166384.asp?tsp=1

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

Bi the Book's picture

ok i kinda c where ur coming

ok i kinda c where ur coming from. one question:where do u find all of these websites? geebus u always have websites 2 bak u up. lol

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jeff's picture

Well...

I've had a few days of hysterical authors on Facebook complaining ad nauseum about it, and that was the only sane article I recalled seeing on the topic, so I posted it to my profile in case I needed to refer to it, heh.

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

patnelsonchilds's picture

Don't Boycott Amazon

This was a mistake, and it has already been fixed. There are still authors complaining about Amazon's policy concerning books which contain explicit content, but that is a seperate issue. The error that got my books and many others delisted from sales rankings has been resolved. It was annoying, but not deliberate.

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- Pat Nelson Childs
"bringing strong gay & lesbian characters to Sci-Fi & Fantasy"

Bi the Book's picture

many people have told me it

many people have told me it was a glitch but i dont no. it might be but it has happened times b4. its not rly a boycott because i dot usually go on amazon.com but now i am making an effort not 2. it is annoying and im sure its hard 4 the authors that have been delisted...as urself pat

~Why put a label on anything? A label is something to tell other people what you are and why should you care about what other people think?~

jeff's picture

So...

You're boycotting a site you don't use?! Sort of like me giving up lesbian porn for lent, no?

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

Bi the Book's picture

yeah kinda. well is it still

yeah kinda. well is it still lent if u didnt already use it? cause isnt lent about giving up something because jesus gave up his life 4 us? correct me if im wrong cause i am, in no way shape or form, religious. hehe

~Why put a label on anything? A label is something to tell other people what you are and why should you care about what other people think?~

jeff's picture

Uhh...

That's my point. You're boycotting a site you don't use, so how is it a boycott? :-)

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

Bi the Book's picture

I dont know! it just is. i

I dont know! it just is. i guess now im making an effort not 2. hehe

~Why put a label on anything? A label is something to tell other people what you are and why should you care about what other people think?~

Nanook's picture

Why would you buy books from

Why would you buy books from e-bay, let alone Amazon?

Buying from a company that actually caters to literature, like Barnes and Nobles, makes much more sense to me.

jeff's picture

Eh...

Barnes and Noble is just another store, not sure how they "cater to literature" anymore than any other store, unless it's because they have physical stores? But ultimately, it's all capitalism...

I can see people making a case for local independent bookstores, but Borders, B&N, and Amazon... that's all pretty much the same.

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"People who are happy are slugs... They do not move the human race forward."
-- Camille Paglia, on Oasis

Nanook's picture

Local bookstores don't have

Local bookstores don't have Nausicaa. B&N does ; ]

Amazon offers consumer products, B&N offers literature and a small amount of film, music, and games.

patnelsonchilds's picture

Amazon carries Nausicaa too,

Amazon carries Nausicaa too, so there! :P

If you're talking about the B&N online store, they do have a great selection (including The Chronicles of Firma). I just wish they discounted a bit more.

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- Pat Nelson Childs
"bringing strong gay & lesbian characters to Sci-Fi & Fantasy"

patnelsonchilds's picture

Amazon has, and continues to

Amazon has, and continues to be, one of the best resources for LGBT books in the world. Unlike ALL the Brick & Mortar chains, including B&N, they carry small indie POD titles like mine and many thousands of others, and discount many of them them to a level that's actually competetive with books from the larger publishing houses.

Amazon, Borders & B&N are all huge mega-corporations that happen to sell books. Amazon just does it better. I'm all for supporting small indie booksellers, but none of these companies falls into that category.

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- Pat Nelson Childs
"bringing strong gay & lesbian characters to Sci-Fi & Fantasy"