class debate

tenmilestilts's picture

OK, is this messed up or what? As an end-of-the-year project for my American History class, we're doing a debate. And guess what my debate topic is? Same-sex marriage. But that's not the problem, the problem is I'm being made to argue *against* it. I tried to switch but nobody wanted to, and if I make too big a deal people will start questioning me. Meh! Sometimes I hate school.

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gaynow's picture

ARGH! That's awful =( I'm

ARGH! That's awful =( I'm sorry. Can you talk to your teacher about it?

Megan: "Cheers are supposed to be simple, make people feel good."
Graham: "Cheers make girls do stupid cartwheels. Orgasms make people feel good."
-But I'm a Cheerleader

tenmilestilts's picture

I wish...he's really nice

I wish...he's really nice but even if I told him he'd probably keep me on the same topic. He said at the beginning he wants us to challenge ourselves by arguing points of view that aren't what we actually believe.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do!

Nanook's picture

He was probably talking

He was probably talking about a Catholic who doesn't support the right to abort, yet has to argue for it; not a homo arguing that he or she deserves to have their rights denied.

The teacher should be able to accommodate you if you really feel uncomfortable about the topic.

Gabby21's picture

Could be a good thing :)

I had to do this in high school too! I was quite upset that I had to argue against it. However the experience actually turned out to be really useful. By having to come up with a strong argument against gay marriage you really get an idea of the reasoning. The more you know about the logic and reasoning (evidence yay!) behind the argument the more you can provide counterexamples and show the flaws in the arguement (not to mention create an even stronger argument for gay marriage).

tenmilestilts's picture

Yeah I was thinking of

Yeah I was thinking of satirizing it, just making to whole argument seem like a bunch of BS (which it is), but again I'm not sure if my teacher will appreciate that. Thanks Gabby I guess I'll just do my best...

First website I looked at though, all I read was this list of ten reasons gay marriage shouldn't be legalized, and I'm just wondering, how do those people's minds *work*? One of the things was providing money to the spouse of a deceased: if gay marriage were legalized, that system would require even more money--hey, so why don't we just make *all* marriage illegal?--that'll save *tons* of money!

Ugh. Sorry to rant. It'll be an interesting experience for sure...
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do!

5thstory's picture

Actually, I see that as a

Actually, I see that as a great opportunity. Defending something you believe in -when you have the chance to not do so- in a hypothetical environment is so much fun! never mind being able to find any reasonable reasons there might be for their positions, and challenging yourself.
It's only school. Don't fret about it and, after all, how can you possibly stand for anything if you haven't at least analysed the other side's points and positions thoroughly and respectfully? That'd be unethical and incorrect.

" . . . The sun does not shine upon this fair earth to meet frowning eyes, depend upon it." Charles Dickens

gaynow's picture

I mean, it's a really easy

I mean, it's a really easy project. Just go find a group on Facebook called "Adam and Eve Not Adam And Steve U All R t3h f4gs!" or whatever and tell them you think gays should be allowed to marry. You'll be bombarded with moronic, unsound reasons why that is not so. And voila, your project is done.

Megan: "Cheers are supposed to be simple, make people feel good."
Graham: "Cheers make girls do stupid cartwheels. Orgasms make people feel good."
-But I'm a Cheerleader

tenmilestilts's picture

Thanks peeps...guess I'll

Thanks peeps...guess I'll just go out and do my best on it. This should be interesting...
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do!

lacking_direction's picture

I agree with 5thstory. This

I agree with 5thstory. This project isn't about debating something you believe in. It's about developing the skills to create a successful argument, no matter the circumstances. Having a stance you don't agree with will help you in the long run because you're going to look at future topics and have the ability to see the other side, anticipate their points, and react appropriately. You sound much more educated and it will get you further when you can come up with a clever and sound counterpoint than when you just say "that's stupid and you're wrong" even if it's true.

I think everyone in the class will understand that not everyone got the side they wanted, but if you're worried what people will think you could just mention that it's harder for you to do this because you think the opposite. You could say it if you work on it in class or if you're talking about the due dates, just not all the time. I wouldn't connect that with hiding homosexuality, but I don't know the climate of your area.

Nanook I don't agree with you. Just the way you worded your two statements shows a bias (which I obviously have too, but the abortion bit was not as strong). I don't think that comfort should change the assignment. Bookworm is probably not the only one who doesn't feel great about their topic. That's sort of what the assignment is all about. The only circumstance I could see where they should get out of it might be something extremely traumatic relating to the topic, but then again, that has the potential to make a more powerful debate if handled well.

One last point...Why is this in a US History class? I can see English or a Current Events class of some kind, but for history I would see the assignment structured differently. Maybe that's just me...

tenmilestilts's picture

You're right

You're right lacking_direction. It will be a good project for me to do, it's just that I'm not too enthusiastic about it. And as far as US History--it's an Advanced Placement class, and now that we've taken the AP test, we're doing lots of noncurricular activities.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do!

lacking_direction's picture

I know how you feel. I had

I know how you feel. I had to do the same project and I haaate public speaking so it was torture. Plus I got a side I disagreed with :( So I know it sucks. What sucks more is that your teacher is assigning actual work after the test. None of mine ever did. I think we even played kick ball...