Open But Invisible

ElvenKnight's picture

read this article and you will see where I am coming from

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ElvenKnight's picture

heres the link.

Icarus's picture

where you're coming from

where you're coming from about what?

so for those of you falling in love
keep it kind, keep it good, keep it right
throw yourself in the midst of danger
and keep one eye open at night.
--"Elephants" Rachel Yamagata

Tophat's picture

Oh great...

This is such a case of NOT HAVING YOUR OWN OPINION.

If You have to give us an article to show what you think, GET NEW THOUGHTS.

I don't need someone else to speak for me, because I have my own opinions, formed by me and me alone. So do most intelligent, mature people.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

ElvenKnight's picture

get over yourself

Excuse me? this is actually a frequent experience amongst us gays and lesbians who choose not to wear our orientations on our sleeves....

Not that you would know ANYTHING about that.....

Tophat's picture

You should respect people's lifestyles

Not condemn them, you idiot.

I spent half my life in the closet, then I was so anti-expression-of-sexuality that I condemned half the world like you. BUT I CHANGED.

You need to get over yourself. You're a fool.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

ElvenKnight's picture

If if werent sentiment that I at least shared,

Than why would i post the hyperlink?

genius.....

Tophat's picture

Sarcasm.

That's original.

You're sending my red sansakras WAY off course, you annoying little creature.
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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

fox333's picture

Im going to repeat what I

Im going to repeat what I said earlier on the other post. Lets please all try to be civil.

I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
Oscar Wilde

ElvenKnight's picture

its not about us

dude. This isn't about me. it isn't about you. it isn't about lawrence King. Its about the world that we all live in.

Tophat's picture

You cannot be this moronic.

It shouldn't be possible.

Thomas Hobbes, Take me away, you were right. Humanity is fucked up.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

ElvenKnight's picture

?

I'm a moron? why because i ackowledge that we live in a world where people think that homosexuality is a sin and gays should be put to death because an ancient book says so?

Tophat's picture

I acknowledge it too,

But I don't say we shouldn't show it.

I say we need to show it OR THAT IGNORANCE WILL CONTINUE.

You're an imbecile because you don't listen to other people's arguments, OR move on.

You must be a troll. It's the only explanation. Go back to 4chan, furfag.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

ElvenKnight's picture

i'm an elf , you FOOL... ok but in all seriousness....

you shouldn't have to hide who you are. the rest of the world needs to see that although we may be different were are still the same as them.

Tophat's picture

...

But some of us AREN'T the same as they are. Therefore we should express that.

I'm not like them. I enjoy dressing like a woman. I happen to act according to a different set of guidelines. I am a total FAG, I'm a total QUEER. I don't need to show I'm like them because I'm not. Many of us are like me. Why should we be like them if we aren't?

Respond directly to that point, don't shift the argument to a different thing.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

ElvenKnight's picture

Honestly. I don't know what

Honestly. I don't know what to tell you. Your situation is not one which i can relate to AT ALL.... gender identity/expression and romantic attraction are two entirely seperate issues. ive been saying this all along.

Tophat's picture

They aren't though. They're totally related.

You don't understand how they're related, and probably never will, because you aren't like us.

Just learn to accept us. We'll always be like this.

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Those who are united in love know no separation.
-Meher Baba

Super Duck's picture

Mind if I step in?

Wow... I wasn't aware this could turn into such a huge debate. I don't mean to be rude, but to be honest, I don't really even see how one could argue about this issue.

I endorse being oneself, no matter what. If that means dressing in stilettos and frilly dresses, then go for it. If one is more suited to jeans and a t-shirt, then that's great too.

Point is, we're all members of the LGBT community, no matter how we dress or what we look like. And we've got to stick together, because that's what communities should do.

Personally, I'm like the woman in the article. No one can actually tell I'm a lesbian just by looking at me. Physically, I'm just your average fifteen-year-old girl. I have long, wavy hair, and I wear women's clothing and occasionally some makeup. I look like my straight classmates, and guess what? I like it that way. I personally feel that the only thing that makes me different from those straight girls is the fact they drool over boys, but I prefer girls. That's all. I have absolutely zero desire to change my appearance. I may not "look gay," but I promise you I am indeed 237% lesbian.

If I were to outwardly "show" my orientation, I wouldn't be looking the way I want to. Personally, I think it's more important to do things the way I want to do them, and if that means looking like a straight girl, then, dammit, I'll look like one. If another lesbian out there chooses to dress more, well, gay, because she feels it represents her, then that's fine too.

I am sorry, but I do have to agree when ElvenKnight says sexual attraction and gender expression aren't directly related. (I don't, however, agree on his first post when he says trans people aren't a part of our struggle... We are all in the same struggle because all four groups of LGBT people challenge society's idea of "normal.") I choose to express myself as a girl. I don't see how that has anything at all to do with my raging attraction to other girls. :p

I'll stop trying to make sense now...

swimmerguy's picture

I agree with Super Duck, but not everywhere

I think that people should act exactly how they want to, and if they want to act straight, then so be it. But, if they want people to know they're gay, they have to act gay, wear a symbol or rainbow somewhere, or JUST TELL PEOPLE. Society simply expects heterosexuality because that's what the majority of people are. You have to give someone SOME reason to suspect you're gay. That is simply the way it is, and getting mad at how people can't tell is a waste of precious energy.

And, I think sexual identity and gender expression are VERY related. I wear a rainbow piano wristband because I just happen to LOVE rainbows and pianos. I laugh at everything because I think that everything's funny. And I happen to be gay. People act how they want, and most gay people act GAY. But not all.

If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill