Please Allow Me To (Re)Introduce Myself

ElvenKnight's picture

Hi, pleased to meet you, I’m Nathan, but you can call me Lank. I am here and I am….. Well yes technically I AM queer, but more specifically I’m a twenty-four year old gay male. I don’t really like the term ‘queer’.
It’s not that I have anything against it. It just doesn’t really do anything for me. I identify as gay, so those are the issues that I write about. Not issues pertaining to Bisexuality, for I am not a Bisexual(although for a long time I thought I was) Not issues pertaining to Transgenderism or Gender-Queerrism for I am not Transgender nor am I Gender- Queer nor are those issues that I will ever be able to understand.

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elph's picture

Just Curious...

...do you know why you'll never be able to understand? Is this a judgmental comment?

Tophat's picture

I think...

He can't imagine ever understanding.

Let's not bring this up. He doesn't understand, so we need to let him be. If he's going to believe this, let him. We can believe what we know is true.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

?

You know what?

If you can't even explain why exactly the gender binary system is oppressive,
why should I or anyone else for that matter be able to understand you?
How can we understand you when you claim to be unable to understand yourself?

Tophat's picture

Here's the thing, shithead.

I don't think it's oppressive, I think that it doesn't fit me, or rather, I don't fit into it.

There are many who feel the same as I, and many who don't who understand.

Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean that you must be cruel and rude about it.

For one thing, the gender binary system is a purely societal construct, look at Nanook's post.

For one thing, I don't have to fit into it, because it's an illusion based on a narrow-minded mindset. If you feel that sex and gender are one and the same, as your posts suggest, then that's just you in your reality, not mine.

So leave me the fuck alone. All I want is to be happy, and if that bothers you then FUCK YOU.

I give up on maturity because you don't respond to it. Maybe you'll respond to raw emotion.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

i gather it isn't easy for you

i am not your enemy. it isnt right for you to be so ubersensitive, to snap at somebody over the slightest misunderstanding.

Tophat's picture

Okay, here's where you're wrong.

You act like my enemy.

It is not the slightest misunderstanding, because you have displayed a lot of transphobia and you have been rude and bigoted. You seriously need to understand when you're in the wrong, which is now.

If anyone else on Oasis can help me word this better, please do.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

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Nanook's picture

I don't understand how

I don't understand how Tophat is being ubersensitive at all. You're the one that's refusing to even entertain any other gender-theory besides the accepted Western theory asserting that gender is essentially the same as sex, and thus polar, save for the instances such as Turner's syndrome, or Y-chrosome malfunctions.

My advice: stop introspecting - it's obviously not working. Instead, just accept it, because that's how he, and many others are. In fact, 25% of each sex fits a gender role that's "undifferentiated" or otherwise "gender-neutral).

I don't understand what your glitch with gender is... I mean, if Vermont, in terms of legislation, is able to recognize the transgendered as a legitimate minority and can afford them equal rights to that of the majority, then why can't you comprehend it?

Tophat's picture

I was trying to prevent

I was trying to prevent conflict.

Why do you feel the need to insult me?

[Note: He edited his comment, this was a response to the following:

"Was that a statement, or do you just happen to type in vague, half-formed sentences?"}

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

hands off

tophat:that hadnt been directed towards you, at first i wasnt sure what elph was referring to. but when you joined in. it occurred to me.
" Nor are those issues that I will ever be able to understand"
Judgemental? No....

more like.....
Taking a hands-off aproach

Tophat's picture

He was asking if he was being judgemental, not you.

And I apologize for my misunderstanding.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Nanook's picture

You can't understand because

You can't understand because you refuse to relate to your fellow, man, or rather, human. I mean, whhat's so hard to get about the concept of transgenderism, or for that matter, gender? Gender is a fluid concept, because it's a social construct (by definition, social constructs are manufactured social concepts which have absolutely no basis in biology). Don't believe me? Then why do males in the tchambuli (modernly spelled as "Chambri") tribe adorn their bodies with jewelry and act to make themselves physically appealing (much as females would do in Western Society)? And why do the females hunt and fish and manage finances in that society?

So, if gender is fluid, doesn't it make sense that individuals would occasionally feel that their sex isn't the correct physical manifestation of their actual gender? What's so hard to understand about that?

Or are you just clouding your eyes, because it's a new and different concept you're not used to? Drop the conservatism and try on some empathy bud.

Tophat's picture

I would like to point out,

The Hijra in south Asia is also a third-gender, and it is an accepted part of the social construct.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

.....

You're a Geek????

Tophat's picture

So...

You resort to common name-calling?

That just says that Nanook beat you, methinks.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

look who is talking

u've done nothing but call me namres and use epithets pal

Tophat's picture

Actually...

I only started that recently,

After cutting down every statement you've made (Without you ever responding to my own claims, further proof that you never admit defeat).

Also, I construct arguments against you, not posting insults only as a post.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Nanook's picture

Me? A geek? Perhaps... Or

Me? A geek? Perhaps...

Or perhaps it's because I'm able to understand the basic curriculum which is taught in a high school sociology class.

As for the binary-gender system being oppressive, I think I've made it clear why it is. It's a social construct, and thus it boxes people into acting a certain way - even feeling a certain way!

To assume that gender is polarized would also assume that other facets of personality are polarized, which I think we can all agree is ridiculous. We're not even binary at our most basic level: genetics. We're "quadinary", if you will (I'm making a reference to the nucleobase: adenine, cytosine, thymine, guanine [uracil doesn't count, at least in my mind, because it replaces thymine]), so how can we be binary at the abstract level?

ElvenKnight's picture

get off it

The only reason we are having this conversation is because YOU( the people who commented on my entry) INSISTED on bringing it up. I made it clear that from now on I am intent on leaving well enough alone.
I may have made some ignorant statements in the beginning, however THAT was THEN and THIS is NOW.

Tophat's picture

No,

You continue to make ignorant comments NOW, and we are attempting to show you your error.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Nanook's picture

You're the one that

You're the one that instigated this bud by stating:

"I am not Transgender nor am I Gender- Queer nor are those issues that I will ever be able to understand."

What are we supposed to do when you clearly state a refusal to even comprehend our positions?

ElvenKnight's picture

No, You Don't Understand.

I did not come to Oasis for YOU

I am here for MYSELF

Tophat's picture

Um...

What does that have to do with what he said?

And what good will being here do if all you do is instigate?

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ElvenKnight's picture

this is going to sound very grade school of me

but you started it(this round)
not me.

Tophat's picture

I believe that Nanook said recently...

"You're the one that instigated this bud by stating:

"I am not Transgender nor am I Gender- Queer nor are those issues that I will ever be able to understand."
What are we supposed to do when you clearly state a refusal to even comprehend our positions?"

I think that says enough to destroy that argument.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

carmen143's picture

Boys, boys, boys.

Let's be civil.

Can't we stop the fighting?? Please?

<3 FLAME ON! <3

Nanook's picture

Aye! I agree to that

Aye! I agree to that motion... I'm starting to get a headache from gender-theory, not to mention it's getting down to the same arguments being repeated and then misconstrued in new fashions...

ElvenKnight's picture

Seconded

:)

carmen143's picture

Thank you.

I'm glad we have at least called a cease fire.

<3 FLAME ON! <3

Tophat's picture

Agreed.

And I apologize for any and all offense taken by anyone from any of my comments.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
-Vladimir Ilyich Lenin