Fine, you picky people. What GENDER would you be if you could choose?

Male
44% (8 votes)
Female
56% (10 votes)
Total votes: 18

Comments

Lehcure's picture

go females! ;D

go females! ;D

fox333's picture

Sorry but I have to go with

Sorry but I have to go with the other team on this one.

A man is educated and turned out to work. But a woman is educated and turned out to grass.
Pearl S. Buck

ShowMeLove's picture

I still choose...

female!

And ditto what Lehcure said XD

Riku's picture

You know what? Despite all

You know what? Despite all of the dysmorphia and everything else. I -like- being a dude dammit! I'd rather be a trans male (which I am) than a cis female because; I know who I am and I like who I am (FINALLY. Took long enough) so why would I want that to change? :P

So yeah, I still pick male. :)

TotalGeek42's picture

Haha, as I said before, I

Haha, as I said before, I dunno why I would -want- to be something else. I'm perfectly happy with myself.. xD

Hm... I do hafta wonder what the me before I realized I was trans wouldda said..

"Assets, assets..."

"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."

"Dreaming that someone unknown has died means that either you've been watching too much CSI..." - 5thstory

swimmerguy's picture

I'm a boy, still

being gay doesn't change that. I'm just a gay boy. I don't have to be a girl to like boys.

"Words are useless, especially sentences. They don't stand for anything. How can they explain how I feel?"~Madonna, Bedtime Story

Nanook's picture

Do you mean "gender" as in

Do you mean "gender" as in terms of the physical manifestation of the sex chromosomes? If so, then, generally, this concept is referred to as "sex". Gender, however, is a non-physical concept that embodies, more so, the spirit of an individual.

As for the types of sexes (at least in terms of physical manifestation), I'd say that there are four, with them being:
Male (the individual possesses the male anatomy - penis and testicles)
Female (the individual possesses the female anatomy - vagina, clitoris, uterus, etc.)
None or Asexual (the individual has a lack of sexual anatomy - this can be done via surgical methods, which is commonly referred to as being a "eunuch", or it can be caused by sexual chromosome disorders)
Intersex (the individual has a combination of the sexual anatomies)

As in terms of the non-physical manifestation of sex, as in terms of the sex chromosomes, I'd rather not get into that (there's more than ten, and the differences aren't huge).

Now, we arrive at gender. This one is a little more tricky, as it's a concept that's solely societal - it's a social construct (manufactured concept of society with no relations to actual biology). I'd rather not go any farther than that, honestly, because it's a concept that's hard to explain. But examples of genders are pretty much endless. Examples include Two-Spirit (American Indian), Hijra (South Asian), Mahu (Hawaiian), Muxe (Zapotec), Male, Female (these two are universals in all cultures I've heard of), FTM, MTF, among others.

Personally though, I consider myself to be an andromale (androgynous male). I'm secure with my body being male, however, I also recognize the male and female parts of me. As such, I refuse to answer this survey.

P.S. I didn't proof read ANY of that. So I hope it's readable.

Riku's picture

I'm going to jump in here

I'm going to jump in here and say that gender isn't completely societal, nor is it completely non-physical.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe there has been a study done showing that the brains of transwomen look like female brains, not male ones. Also, the fact that there are physical differences between male brains and female brains makes it pretty apparent that gender is more than just a societal construct.

So I think of transsexuality more like a branch of being intersexed. Only, you can't detect what's in between the ears like you can what's between the thighs. Which is why intersexed people don't want to be grouped together with trans people even though, it'd make a lot more sense than trans people being grouped together with gays and whatnot.

As far as people who are in-between gender go; their brains are probably more in-between the 'usual' male and female types.

And yeah... My two cents. >_>

Nanook's picture

Couldn't the differences

Couldn't the differences between neural anatomy be associated with sex chromosomes (as in the case of brain anatomy in males vs. females) and environmental differences? I mean, if you're looking at ftm individuals, then the neural anatomy and chemistry could easily be associated due to the effects of pharmaceuticals, plastics and phoytoestrogens.

Also, if gender was biological in nature, and not due to something more societal, then why is there a discrepancies in gender roles? In the Tchambuli tribe men and women have largely reversed gender roles. Currently in America, according the Bem Sex Role Index, gender roles are now slowly meshing and becoming largely undifferentiated or androgynous.

The very existence of third genders non-universally, along with a discrepancy in gender roles, points to a larger basis in society rather than biology.

Riku's picture

According to the study, the

According to the study, the part of the brain was one largely not affected in size (size is what they were comparing there is a part of the brain that is commonly bigger in men (heterosexual and otherwise) than in women, and it was found to be even smaller on average in trans women) after development. And they also looked at the brains of men with hormonal discrepancies and such. Unfortunately the sample size of trans women was pretty small. But they did enough research to be able to tell that it's extremely unlikely that, that part of their brains changed from hormonal treatment.

Most gender -roles- are societal. Believe me, I know, I've read about the Tchambuli tribe myself. Did a whole essay on gender roles. Gender and gender roles aren't even close to the same thing. There are some very masculine women who are completely female and don't identify as gender variant at all, and there are effiminate trans men who feel a very strong need for surgery and full transition. When I talk about gender I'm not talking about men working or women cooking or anything like that. I'm talking about the internal presence of a gender that's insanely difficult to explain to someone who doesn't already know what I'm talking about. Sort of the same as how it's easy to assume that sex and gender are the same thing if your body is how you expect it to be. It's very difficult to describe a feeling of gender apart from sex, gender roles, and gender expression. But these are all distinctly separate things, the way gender is separate from sexuality. There is correlation, yes, but correlation does not mean causation.

Gender roles are something that came about because of gender, but not directly linked. You can have gender without gender roles.

There are transmen who report having a phantom penis you know. I'd say phantom limbs are a pretty biological phenomenon. And biology, just like gender, isn't even -close- to being black and white. If people can be intersexed why can't their brain be between genders too? Gender is tricky stuff, chromosomes, hormones, development. A lot of room for things that don't fit in cis male or cis female types. (And even within those there is variation.) I'm guessing that, in places some form of gender variance was commonly recognized, third genders came about.

I think what I'm trying to say is, I agree that gender roles are a social construct. But that doesn't mean that gender itself is a social construct. Not even close.

Dracofangxxx's picture

I mean what you believe you

I mean what you believe you are mentally.
Sex is physical, gender's mental. People kept going "Blah, gender blah blah" on my sex poll, so I made a gender one for the whiny people .__.

c'mon, don't take this so seriously. it's just for fun :/
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Sometimes I like to sit at night and stare at the lamppost because it's the brightest thing in my life...

Nanook's picture

Well god damn it, what if

Well god damn it, what if I'm a hijra? I'm not male or female. I'm a freaking hijra =p

Y'know, I was reading documents from a journal on some crap (I don't remember), and the Indian government has employed the Hijra to go and dance at the footsteps of debtor's doors to encourage repayment of loans.

jeff's picture

Since...

you're not SE Asian, that seems unlikely. That and you love your penis.

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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

Nanook's picture

Heh, as the world becomes

Heh, as the world becomes more globalized, cultural norms have begun to transcend their natural barriers. There's no prerequisite of SE Asian when it comes to being a hijra.

But you are right, I'm fine being male.

TotalGeek42's picture

Meh, if gender was purely

Meh, if gender was purely social I really wouldn't care about mine...

But as it is... well, as it is I am who I am. :P

"Assets, assets..."

"Well I've got a banana, and in a pinch you could put up some shelves..."

"Dreaming that someone unknown has died means that either you've been watching too much CSI..." - 5thstory