LETS ALL GO TO THE TITTY TWISTER

swimmerguy's picture

My kind of place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3pmwrtlDaY&feature=related&safe_search=o...

So, there was this one poll on fb, and it was "do you support gay rights/marijuana legalization?" So there were 4 answers, support gay rights, don't support gay rights, support marijuana legalization, and don't support marijuana legalization. So you could only answer one question, basically.
And this was actually sorta useful to me, because out of my friends, most chose "support gay rights", some, like me, did "support marijuana legalization", just a few did "don't support weed legalization", and no one did "don't support gay rights". Well, of course, like 150,000 people did that one, but none of my friends.
I dunno why I wanted to bring it up.

Maybe, to discuss my choice. Because, even though I, obviously I hope, support gay rights, I care more about weed legalization. Even though I'm probably more likely to do, I dunno, gay things? than smoke weed, I'm just not really frothing at the mouth about gay rights.
I mean, I really don't care if I have a state-recognized marriage. In fact, I don't think we should really have state-recognized marraiges... But if we do, certainly we should either not have them, or offer them to everyone.
But having a marriage recognized by the state really doesn't matter to me, it wouldn't be any less or more real to how I feel, which is really what I care about.
And if I had to choose between completely equal rights all over America, and legalizing drugs, all over America, I'd have to choose legalizing drugs hands down.
Because gay rights/marriage is just a social issue which is well on it's way to being solved anyway, but illega drugs is in my opinion a much bigger issue.

If you're not aware, here in America we're having states run out of money and crap, and yet taxes are still too high, so we don't want to raise them. And so we need to cut expenses.
And I forget what it is, but like 50% of people in prison are there for drug offenses. That's a lot of cash.
And this stupid moral stand, which I think is wrong in any case, is really a cancer on the state, sucking cash out into the prison system for people who could be otherwise productive in society.
And that in budget crisis times, we still insist keeping these people in jail is nothing short of ludacris to me.
A much bigger issue than gay rights.
And more people voted on the gay rights question, and it had more people for it, and less against it than the weed question, which I appreciate, but still, I'd focus on weed :P

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elph's picture

Imprisonment for possession or use...

is an egregious injustice... and a tremendous drain on the economy.

Re-education or public service would be far better for all... for us as well as for the offender!

We humans seem to harbor a propensity towards innate vindictiveness.

Sad commentary on humanity...

swimmerguy's picture

I think

drugs are illegal because old white-haired white men in the government who have forgotten how to be young, think that all drugs are done by young black men who are intent on destroying the country.
Also, they have it in their mind there is a direct causal link WORK=ENJOYMENT and drugs don't follow that path, so they think they must be bad, they don't care how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

Nanook's picture

Or that they've seen drugs

Or that they've seen drugs hurt so many families and caused so much stress in people's lives. I know so many people in my school that wake and bake, go to class high, and get high as soon as school lets out. I've seen above average students start toking that just got too lazy and didn't care anymore.

The reason why there's so much controversy about marijuana consumption is because teenagers are so prone to impressions, and because they lack impulse controls. The frontal lobes of their brains are so underdeveloped, and as such, many teenagers never know when so much is too much. Further, teenagers are lazy. There's no way around it. They produce more melatonin and metabolize is much more slowly. When you add marijuana into the equation, it just leads to sloth like behaviors.

Now, we could easily just construct a law that prohibits teenagers from purchasing and consuming, but that just creates even more animosity between pre-adults and adults. Further, by creating a market for marijuana, access controls are completely removed. Sure, teens can't consume, but it's even easier to get ahold of some product when it's legal.

Nanook's picture

Couldn't we just as easily

Couldn't we just as easily say that the crusades of marijuana are coming to an end and will be solved in all eventuality? Besides, aren't drugs just as much of a social issue as same-sex marriage? Further, same-sex marriage isn't just a social issue; it's an issue of economics, immigration, adoption, inheritance, power of attorney, hospital visitation and so much more. By not having same-sex marriage, you're denying tax breaks to so many families and denying fundamental rights to couples.

I'd rather people give up their doobie than have people give up their dignity.

swimmerguy's picture

Well...

I'm just saying, that's how I feel, because as of now, I can't get married, but that doesn't really bother me too much.
I'm sure it bothers others.

I mean, of course I support same-sex marriage, because it really is an injustice if gay couples aren't getting the same economic benefits and hospital visitation things as straight couples just because of stupid state stuff. But most states have at least civil union things, and if they have things that are like marriage but not in name, I don't care to go any further and get it called marriage. What the state wants to call it matters diddly squat to me. They call it what they want.
But really, I'd rather get rid of marriage altogether, and have just civil unions that are less binding, because I don't even like the idea of state-sponsered marriage.

So, I do support gay marriage, obviously, but I care a lot more about weed legalization, because it is an issue that is a huge cancer on the economy, and it's not even necessary. It's a stupid and useless moral stand that ends up losing a lot of money. I forget the figure, but I think it's like half of people in jail are there because of drug related offenses.
That's 50%.
That means 2 things, first, that even with the law, people use drugs anyway. It doesn't matter.
And second, that now we have hundreds of thousands of people who haven't commited any violent crimes, and most of whom would be otherwise productive in society, they just smoke a joint now and then, who are sitting in prisons, overcrowding them, both making the state pay for their living expenses, and not paying taxes or contributing to society.
If we could just get rid of this stupid moral stand, we could regulate it, and start both making money off it with taxes and regulations, and also by not having to pay living expenses for hundreds of thousands of inmates,and having a lot more people out there paying taxes.

I think as of this moment, weed legalization would do more good for the country than gay marriage. It should happen, definitely, but right now, in a bad economy being throttled yet again, if I had to choose one I'd choose weed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

Nanook's picture

Having a division in

Having a division in nomenclature is more than simply a division in nomenclature. By awarding different licenses to different couples, what the state is essentially saying is that it doesn't view all couples the same. In fact, the state is saying that same-sex unions are completely different from different-sex unions.

Further, I really don't understand anyone's stigma concerning the word "marriage". Sure, there's a connotation of religion, but that's all connotation. The actual definition of marriage doesn't reference religion once, and in fact, marriage began as a completely secular institution in the West. It wasn't actually a hugely religious affair until the counter-reformation politic of the time took over, where a marriage could only be recognized by a priest and two witnesses, per the Treaty of Trent (1563).

Lastly, I don't understand why marriage should be toned down in any way. The current system of marriage is in no way compulsory. If a couple doesn't like it, then they can just choose not to get married.

Dracofangxxx's picture

I think marriage is kinda stupid now, to be honest

cause it's not really "forever" anymore... There's divorces, and they AREN'T shamed upon anymore. I mean, yes, there's more at stake, but it's more like a slap on the hand rather than THE CHURCH DISOWWWWNS YOUUUU.

So really it's kinda silly anyways.

Also, whatever, weed should be legal. If alchohol and even cigs are legal, why not weed? I mean, cigs are like weed but they don't get you high and are much worse for you :U
We should swap the two, frankly...
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Amazingly offensive <3

swimmerguy's picture

Well yeah

Marriage is a religious idea anyway, which I don't think the government should do :P
Civil partnerships that are a lot less pretentious and binding that allow all the things of like you-can-see-your-loved-one-in-the-hospital-if-they're-dying-and-put-them-on-your-health-care-because-you-count-as-family-temporarily-or-otherwise.
Yeah :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

elph's picture

Wrong!

Marriage had been a strictly social contract for ages... up until the time that religions wanted to get into the act to control/limit all manner of social conduct.

Even today (at least in U.S.), a religious marriage is merely an unnecessary adjunct to the official civil marriage...

Just one reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

radiosilence95's picture

If pot is legalized, then

If pot is legalized, then the American economy would improve rapidly. Think about it. A whole marijuana industry would be established, and all the profit it rakes in would stimulate the economy and provide jobs.

swimmerguy's picture

I'm not sure

I'd go quite that far. It's just it's a stupid thing that we're currently losing tons of money on, and creating a lot of violence all over with, when we could have less violence and more money if we could just get over ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

625539's picture

this is why i like living in

this is why i like living in canada
BYE NOW

EDIT is your signature lemme smang it or do you just post it at the ends of your comments to be cool

swimmerguy's picture

It

is my new signature, as I have officially fallen in love with the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

ferrets's picture

hmmm

the problem with a lack of gay rights, is it sends a message to the people that gay people are inferior, less worthy of prtection under the goverment, and thus gives them unspoken permission to treat us differntly. i mean, if the goverment does something, then people in that country are going to go along. if the goverment dosnt give out gay rights, alot of people will feel its becuase we dont deserve them .

furthermore, if we jsut assume they will happen, they wont. these things only happen with a fight

pot should be legal too, but idc about it really. i would give my life for gay rights...i would give...idk a loaf of bread for legalization of weed.

"A loving man and woman in a committed relationship can marry. Dogs, no matter what their relationship, are not allowed to marry. How should society treat gays and lesbians in committed relationships? As dogs or as humans?"

swimmerguy's picture

BUT

What good is marriage if you can't smoke weed together??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

625539's picture

SRSLY I APPROVE THIS COMMENT

SRSLY I APPROVE THIS COMMENT

ChrisH1551's picture

Hey!

I voted on it too! Exact one, I think, but when I got it, a few people picked "Don't Support Gay Rights" Which pissed me off, because the people that chose that, were my parents' friends and this straight guy I have a crush on...but that's ajournal for another day. :D