so, eutopia...

ferrets's picture

i've heard it said the only way a true dystopia can be formed when you try to create a eutopia, since eutopia will always fail. the vacumn left when the eutopian society fails is filled with a dystopia.

i think its dangerous to think eutopia impossible. becuase if eutopia isnt possible, what is there to work towards, to keep us all from being nihilistic? i mean i guess religoius people solve this problem by hoping for a heaven, but i mean it seems pointless to throwing your hope behind something that is most likley unture. so i personnally think eutopia is a brilliant, noble, and humane idea in the highest of terms.

what do you guys think?

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Dracofangxxx's picture

Sounds just about right to me...

Because I read somewhere that happiness = expectations/reality. Trying to create a utopia is creating the expectation that perfection is possible and a tangible thing, when in reality it will never happen. Perfection is the beauty in something flawed, I suppose. You gotta make the most with what you have, and constantly keep growing for the good or worse.
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ferrets's picture

it...

summons the fear in me of people just giving up, i supose. i mean, why bother making like, i dont know, god, whats a posotive thing....why bother making super fish that have ten million babies every twelve minutes for every grain of rice they eat, when you know that ultimatley someone will make better super fish then yours, so you might as well not even make super fish. god, i hope that made sense... i guess i would rather work towards an unatainable goal then say things are good enough the way they are.

"A loving man and woman in a committed relationship can marry. Dogs, no matter what their relationship, are not allowed to marry. How should society treat gays and lesbians in committed relationships? As dogs or as humans?"

MacAvity's picture

Well...

First I think you need to define 'utopia.'

swimmerguy's picture

Eh

The thing is, we can't fix every problem... It just won't happen.
Like for example, however many dictators there are out there, a lot, I know. We know that they commit terrible, terrible crimes against their people.
But we can't do anything about it...
Like Iran, we know they're oppressive, but we just can't really do that much except impose sanctions, which we do, but it doesn't stop them.

As we've learned from Iraq, it'd be a disaster to just go in there and force Ahmadinejad and Khomeini out, a lot of the people just don't want us there, and the insurgency and human rights abuses just go on.

So, yeah, I think utopia is impossible. Totally impossible. We'll never achieve it.
But that's no reason to quit trying, we'll try to build as good a world as we can, it'll just never be perfect, human nature doesn't allow it. We can't force everyone to be "good", and what is "good" anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ghXdq6Z0&safe_search=on

ferrets's picture

precisley...

i dont venture to say eutopia will happen, but i belive the attempt is what matters. its kinda like better late then never. better not perfect and trying then just not trying at all.

"A loving man and woman in a committed relationship can marry. Dogs, no matter what their relationship, are not allowed to marry. How should society treat gays and lesbians in committed relationships? As dogs or as humans?"