The End Of The Affair

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I have just watched the End of the Affair. I am, therefore, feeling pretty damn depressed. It's definitely not the most uplifting of films. Kind of wish I'd read the book first, I shall do that as soon as possible. I cried a lot, which is quite embarrassing, I always cry at films, and books. I cried solidly through HP and the deathly hallows part 2. Both times I saw it. It was a crap film but it was more the significance of it you know.

So yeah... Ralph Fiennes is a fantastic actor. This is a journal entry. Must focus on my feelings today. Not Bendrix, he's not real. Grahame Greene was a sad chap though... Anyway.

Oh yeah, I temporarily forgot, I think I'm going to a concert with AR and friends. Celebration and mini wave to me! I'm still frantically trying to keep my hopes down incase it doesn't happen... I am being quite pessimistic about it really, which is odd for me. Probably because, if it does happen, nothing will change. She will be straight and I will be hopelessly in love with her. Hopefully we can become better friends though, I think that would be enough.

Funny story, I always used to think if someone smoked I would never be interested in them. I found out she smokes today, not like chain but the occasional one. I don't care. This is the severity of my situation. Although, it does make me realise that she isn't perfect, which I had thought up until now. That is her only flaw. The only one I know of anyway.

I think the major source of my depression right now is that film. I should not let fictitious people affect me like this... Although, I wouldn't be in love with reading then. I fall into the lives of people in novels. That's why I love Hazza P. I lived him. I grew up not with him, but as him. I feel his pain because I felt it so realistically when the books came out. He comforts me because he was my childhood. This is why I can't let go I think. It's probably not the healthiest thing, given most novels don't seem to end happily... Oh well. I will have forgotten about it tomorrow :)

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stillgotlegs's picture

Hahaa, Hazza P.Personally,

Hahaa, Hazza P.
Personally, I prefer Neville; he has more depth as a character.
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Potter's picture

ahaaaa... WHAT? I mean yeah,

ahaaaa... WHAT? I mean yeah, Neville's cool. But you could not possibly say he has more depth? I mean, he barely features in comparison, so that would be a pretty awesome feat. That... Just... I am lost for words. Neville's like the same, I mean he's an orphan and stuff and he goes through a similarly tough childhood. But You-Know-Who chose Harry. Harry had a piece of his soul inside of him. Harry goes through all that shit with him. Neville just has a kind of lonely school life, being the dumb, fat loner. Harry has to save the world. I MEAN ARE YOU BLOODY MENTAL?! This has made me unreasonably angry. I get a bit touchy when it comes to Harry...

we must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

stillgotlegs's picture

LOL exactly! Harry may have

LOL exactly!
Harry may have had a hard childhood, but so did Neville. The difference between them is that once he got into the wizarding world, people literally worshipped Harry.

Like, he was their saviour, and he lapped it up.

Meanwhile, Neville is getting mistreated by pretty much everyone. His days at school suck, his days at home suck. People are constantly telling him that he doesn't belong in Gryffindor, that he's pathetic and cowardly, yet he consistently acts bravely in the face of danger, and protects people who really, considering, treat him very badly.

When you bear in mind that Harry really isn't a very proficient wizard, you've got to ask what he actually has that is special. That is, the people around him. The reason why he stays alive isn't because of his bravery or prowess, it's because there is a whole group of fantastic wizards who devote their existece to KEEPING him alive. The overwhelming majority of his sucesses have been due to magic that wasn't even cast by him.

His survival as a baby? Because of his mother's sacrifice, which, by the way, I find very hard to believe has never happened ever in all of wizard history. It's a sad truth that mothers give up their lives all the time to protect their children during a war. I'm not buying it.

His survival in the chamber of secrets? Fawkes.

His survival in the graveyard? Twin cores.

His survival at the ministry? Order of the Pheonix.

His survival at the very end? Horcrux.

Anyone can get themselves into trouble, but it takes actual skill to get out of it. It's my hypothesis that if Neville was afforded the same level of support as Harry, he'd have no problem doing the same things.

Harry Potter could have literally been replaced with any character in the story, and it would have turned out the same. BITE ME.
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Potter's picture

Harry may have had a hard

Harry may have had a hard childhood, but so did Neville. The difference between them is that once he got into the wizarding world, people literally worshipped Harry.

BUT HARRY'S RELATIVES WERE EVEN WORSE TO HIM THAN NEVILLE'S

Like, he was their saviour, and he lapped it up.

HE HATED IT.

Meanwhile, Neville is getting mistreated by pretty much everyone. His days at school suck, his days at home suck. People are constantly telling him that he doesn't belong in Gryffindor, that he's pathetic and cowardly, yet he consistently acts bravely in the face of danger, and protects people who really, considering, treat him very badly.

HAVE YOU EVEN READ OOTP?

When you bear in mind that Harry really isn't a very proficient wizard, you've got to ask what he actually has that is special. That is, the people around him. The reason why he stays alive isn't because of his bravery or prowess, it's because there is a whole group of fantastic wizards who devote their existece to KEEPING him alive. The overwhelming majority of his sucesses have been due to magic that wasn't even cast by him.

COMPARE HARRY'S PROFICIENCY TO NEVILLE'S.

His survival as a baby? Because of his mother's sacrifice, which, by the way, I find very hard to believe has never happened ever in all of wizard history. It's a sad truth that mothers give up their lives all the time to protect their children during a war. I'm not buying it.

YEH BUT USUALLY THE WIZARD THE CURSE REBOUNDS UPON DIES. THEREFORE, THE PROTECTION IS NEVER ACTIIVATED. THEY ARE USUALLY NOT BABIES.

His survival in the chamber of secrets? Fawkes.

HIS TRUST IN DUMBLEDORE. HOW DID HE GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? BECAUSE HE IS CLEVERER AND BRAVER WIZARD.

His survival in the graveyard? Twin cores.

HE STILL HAS TO PUT A HELL OF A LOT OF EFFORT INTO WINNING THAT DUEL.

His survival at the ministry? Order of the Pheonix.

HE HOLDS OUT FOR A PRETTY LONG TIME

His survival at the very end? Horcrux.

HIS MASTERY OF DEATH.

Anyone can get themselves into trouble, but it takes actual skill to get out of it. It's my hypothesis that if Neville was afforded the same level of support as Harry, he'd have no problem doing the same things.

NEVILLE DIDN'T NEED IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T CONSTANTLY TRY AND KILL HIM.

Harry Potter could have literally been replaced with any character in the story, and it would have turned out the same. BITE ME.

LOVE. NONE OF THE CHARACTERS HAVE HARRY'S CAPACITY FOR LOVE.

The capitals aren't shouting, just to differentiate, anymore you want to throw at me?

we must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

Tycoondashkid's picture

stop arguing

Hermione is the true choice then Ron then Neville then Harry :3

stillgotlegs's picture

haha, I'm not earnestly

haha, I'm not earnestly arguing, I promise xD
I love debating Harry Potter.
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Tycoondashkid's picture

i know you weren't

just trying to draw attention :3

stillgotlegs's picture

LOL my arguement wasn't very

LOL my arguement wasn't very well construed, I knew there would be holes in it, but here I go.

But Harry's relatives were even worse to him than Neville's
What I said was, they had crappy childhoods. I'd say what happened to Neville's parents was infinitely worse than what happened to Harry's. In J.K. Rowling's universe, there is definitive proof of life after death. Harry's parents didn't vanish, they're just waiting. Neville's parents on the other hand, suffered immense torture at the hands of Voldemort, but are left behind. Seeing his parents like that can't have been fun.

Though I'm not denying that Harry went through some pretty crap stuff with the Dursleys, I reckon they're about equal. When he gets into the wizarding world, the Weasleys pretty much adopt him. Where are Neville's adoptive parents? If Harry spends some of his holidays at the Weasley's, where does Neville spend his?

He hated it
Alright, I concede on that one.

Have you even read OOTP?
Yes.

Compare Harry's proficiency to Neville's
That wasn't the point I was making. With my theory, even someone like Neville could suceed with the right support.

Point about protection etc
Still wasn't cast by Harry, it has nothing to do with him.

His trust in Dumbledore
Oh, and that wasn't at -all- ill-advised. Dumbledore knew full well that Harry had to die. He was literally keeping him alive so that he could die at the right point of the war. That's hardly in Harry's best interests, is it?

And Fawkes did that on her own. No-one can force a pheonix to cry.

He still has to put in a lot of effort into winning that duel
And he would have died straight away if it weren't for the luck of having the twin cores. Pretty much no-one can come out of a duel with Voldemort too well, especially a teenager who hasn't fly completed their magical education yet.

He holds out for quite a long time
But he wasn't fighting a load of death eaters by himself, was he?
NEVILLE WAS THERE! How do you know it wasn't a massive bout of Neville-luck?

His mastery of death
And being a horcrux. He wouldn't hve had the chance to be a 'master of death' if he wasn't a horcrux in the first place.

Neville didn't need it
Scuse me, where was the help when students were being tortured at Hogwarts, or is that all fine in the grand scheme of things? If that were Harry, someone would have gone "Holy bajeebus, let's get him out of there!". Random hogwarts students being tortured? Aahh, they'll be fine.

Love. Harry's capacity for love
J.K. Rowlings whole point was that everyone has the capacity for love. Harry's isn't particularly special.

Humans love, and that is the most powerful magic of all. Harry had the ability to love because he hadn't split his soul or been conceived under the effects of a love potion. You know who else fits into those categories?

Every character apart from Voldemort. And that's saying a lot.
God, this one took a long time to write.
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MaddieJoy's picture

Does anyone here even

Does anyone here even remember Luna??? She was a nut, sure. But when you think about it, even Harry & Co. thought she was crazy, and everyone called her names behind her back, and she couldn't have been oblivious to all that. And yet she kept being herself in the face of all that. Then she was like the youngest person to risk her life for Harry, even though no one could have blamed her for staying behind. And she lost her mother, too.
She was even captured and tortured by Voldy's minions, but through all of that she took care of Olivander.
And she was part of Dumbledore's army and was smart enough to be in Ravenclaw.
I think Luna was one of the top 3 deepest characters.

"It's a helluva start, knowing what makes you happy."
--Lucille Ball

Yamamoto's picture

I thought Luna was support

I thought Luna was support adoreable... I mean personally I couldn't see why people thought she was crazy... I just saw her as someone I would so cuddle :D

MaddieJoy's picture

In 5th grade my nickname was

In 5th grade my nickname was Luna Malfoy (I look like a combo of the two of them). Not because I'm crazy, but because I dress oddly and am very DIFFERENT in the same way. She's kind of my patron wizard.

"It's a helluva start, knowing what makes you happy."
--Lucille Ball

Potter's picture

LOL my arguement wasn't very

LOL my arguement wasn't very well construed, I knew there would be holes in it, but here I go.

HAVE YOU NOT LEARNT? RIGHT OKAY...

What I said was, they had crappy childhoods. I'd say what happened to Neville's parents was infinitely worse than what happened to Harry's. In J.K. Rowling's universe, there is definitive proof of life after death. Harry's parents didn't vanish, they're just waiting. Neville's parents on the other hand, suffered immense torture at the hands of Voldemort, but are left behind. Seeing his parents like that can't have been fun.

I ADMIT THAT IS BAD. BUT IT IS DEBATABLE WHICH IS WORSE. YOU CANNOT BASE YOUR ARGUMENT ON THAT. THAT'S A WHOLE NEW ARGUMENT...

Though I'm not denying that Harry went through some pretty crap stuff with the Dursleys, I reckon they're about equal. When he gets into the wizarding world, the Weasleys pretty much adopt him. Where are Neville's adoptive parents? If Harry spends some of his holidays at the Weasley's, where does Neville spend his?

HIS GRANDMAN LOVES HIM AFTER THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. THAT GIVES HIM 2/6 HAPPY SUMMERS. THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH AS HARRY HAD OVERALL.

He hated it
Alright, I concede on that one.

HA

Have you even read OOTP?
Yes.

THEN YOU REALISE THAT HARRY SPENT THE WHOLE YEAR BEING LOATHED BY PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE. NO-ONE LOATHED NEVILLE. EVERYONE EXCEPT THE SLYTHERINS WAS NICE TO HIM. HERMIONE ALWAYS HELPED HIM OUT. HARRY SAID - "YOU'RE WORTH TEN OF MALFOY". HE HAD FRIENDS. THEY JUST WEREN'T AS 'CLOSE' AS THE TRIO.

Compare Harry's proficiency to Neville's
That wasn't the point I was making. With my theory, even someone like Neville could suceed with the right support.

NO HE COULDN'T. THAT WAS MY POINT. THE ONLY REASON NEVILLE BECOMES SLIGHTLY MORE PROFICIENT TOWARDS THE END IS FROM HARRY'S HELP.

Point about protection etc
Still wasn't cast by Harry, it has nothing to do with him.

AH BUT YOU WERE SAYING WHY HAS IT NOT HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE. I EXPLAINED.

His trust in Dumbledore
Oh, and that wasn't at -all- ill-advised. Dumbledore knew full well that Harry had to die. He was literally keeping him alive so that he could die at the right point of the war. That's hardly in Harry's best interests, is it?

THIS IS WAR. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SACRIFICES. DUMBLEDORE KNEW HARRY WOULD DO IT. HE DIDN'T TELL HIM TO, HE JUST GAVE HIM THE RIGHT INFORMATION AT THE RIGHT TIME TO HELP HIM THROUGH IT. IT WAS HARRY'S CHOICE. HARRY KILLED HIMSELF TO SAVE NEVILLE.

And Fawkes did that on her own. No-one can force a pheonix to cry.

I MEANT HARRY CALLED FOR FAWKES BY SAYING DUMBLEDORE WAS GREAT AND STUFF. AND HE GOT THE SWORD - IMMENSE BRAVERY SHOWN ON HIS PART.

He still has to put in a lot of effort into winning that duel
And he would have died straight away if it weren't for the luck of having the twin cores. Pretty much no-one can come out of a duel with Voldemort too well, especially a teenager who hasn't fly completed their magical education yet.

YES. BUT IT WAS STILL HARD. HE STILL HAD TO WATCH HIS FRIEND DIE.

He holds out for quite a long time
But he wasn't fighting a load of death eaters by himself, was he?
NEVILLE WAS THERE! How do you know it wasn't a massive bout of Neville-luck?

NEVILLE WAS SHIT HELP. HE DROPPED THE PROPHECY.

His mastery of death
And being a horcrux. He wouldn't hve had the chance to be a 'master of death' if he wasn't a horcrux in the first place.

THE FACT THAT HE WAS A HORCRUX ISN'T WHY HE LIVED. IT'S WHY HE HAD TO DIE. HE LIVED BECAUSE VOLDEMORT TOOK HIS BLOOD AND HE WAS ABLE TO COME BACK LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE WAS MASTER OF DEATH.

Neville didn't need it
Scuse me, where was the help when students were being tortured at Hogwarts, or is that all fine in the grand scheme of things? If that were Harry, someone would have gone "Holy bajeebus, let's get him out of there!". Random hogwarts students being tortured? Aahh, they'll be fine.

AT THAT POINT HARRY WAS ON THE RUN FROM BEING TORTURED AND KILLED. SAME SITUATION. THIS IS WAR.

Love. Harry's capacity for love
J.K. Rowlings whole point was that everyone has the capacity for love. Harry's isn't particularly special.

Humans love, and that is the most powerful magic of all. Harry had the ability to love because he hadn't split his soul or been conceived under the effects of a love potion. You know who else fits into those categories?

HARRY HAS THE BIGGEST CAPACITY FOR LOVE. HENCE AGREEING TO DIE IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ONES HE LOVED.

Every character apart from Voldemort. And that's saying a lot.
God, this one took a long time to write.

GIVE IT UP. YOU CAN'T WIN. YOU HAVE CHOSEN A CRAPPY ARGUMENT. NEVILLE SUCKS.

we must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

stillgotlegs's picture

"NEVILLE WAS SHIT HELP. HE

"NEVILLE WAS SHIT HELP. HE DROPPED THE PROPHECY."
Oh Neville you klutz, I love you. Don't you just want to take him home?

"HARRY HAS THE BIGGEST CAPACITY FOR LOVE. HENCE AGREEING TO DIE IN ORDER TO SAVE THE ONES HE LOVED."
- Lupin died for Tonks and Teddy. Tonks died for Teddy.
- James and Lily died for Harry.
- Sirius died for Harry.
- Mad Eye Moody died for Harry.
- Bellatrix went to azkaban for Voldemort.
- Fred died for his family.
- The second Peverell brother kills himself to be with his fiancee.

The way Harry is prepared to die for his loved ones is not unique in the slightest, and is not down to a 'greater capacity for love'.

"GIVE IT UP. YOU CAN'T WIN. YOU HAVE CHOSEN A CRAPPY ARGUMENT. NEVILLE SUCKS."
No need to get offensive. I'm sorry, I really can't look at caps without imagining you furiously angry.
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Potter's picture

You are the weak one, and you will lose.

Oh Neville you klutz, I love you. Don't you just want to take him home?

THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT

- Lupin died for Tonks and Teddy. Tonks died for Teddy.
- James and Lily died for Harry.
- Sirius died for Harry.
- Mad Eye Moody died for Harry.
- Bellatrix went to azkaban for Voldemort.
- Fred died for his family.
- The second Peverell brother kills himself to be with his fiancee.

The way Harry is prepared to die for his loved ones is not unique in the slightest, and is not down to a 'greater capacity for love'.

THE WAY THEY DIED WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. HARRY WISHES HE COULD HAVE DIED LIKE THAT. THEY DIED FIGHTING, DOING EVERY THING THEY COULD TO SURVIVE. HARRY HAD TO KNOWINGLY WALK TO HIS OWN DEATH

I am a bit angry ;) I mean I love a good HP debate but this is ridiculous...

we must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

stillgotlegs's picture

Jesus christ, I wont reply

Jesus christ, I wont reply anymore.
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Potter's picture

VICTORY we must choose

VICTORY

we must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

jeff's picture

Well...

If anyone in this thread isn't getting laid, I think we sorted out why.

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Potter's picture

hehe, it's because we aren't

hehe, it's because we aren't getting laid. It's the other way around! Although, If I had to give up HP or sex... That would be a tricky choice. :P

We must choose between what is right and what is easy. - J. K. Rowling

stillgotlegs's picture

hahaa, true that. --- “Why

hahaa, true that.
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