Useless waste of human flesh, fucking everything you see

anarchist's picture

I just started getting back into metal. I stopped listening to it because metalheads are fucking ignorant almost to the point that I ironically want to kill all of them. (Hyperbolic, but still ironic.)
But Chelsea Grin is too fucking awesome to ignore.

I've always been a metal person, and nothing will change that.

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elph's picture

Trying my best...

to understand... and not be disrespectful.

I did listen (actually to the very end!).

But a gnawing question remains: "How can one tell if the original "score" has been faithfully followed... without error?"

anarchist's picture

It doesn't matter.

I guess you just aren't a metal person. If one doesn't love it at first, one never will. It isn't an acquired taste.

elph's picture

But... the question remains:

I just want to know how one might recognize a musical error... if one occurs.

Or... is cacophony (however achieved) the only rule... and the concept of a valid, well-performed rendition of a composer's work just non-existent?

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A further thought - 5 hours later

I think I may have thought of that clip as being music... something that had a score, and could be reproduced and/or interpreted by whoever had the score and the necessary musical devices.

But... if I look at the work as a "one-off" attempt at an art form (not music), in the same vein as the many paintings/sculptures one finds in a museum of modern art... I should probably be a bit less critical.

However... I truly don't understand/appreciate much of what I see in the museum of modern art either! Although, I do find many of the sculptures to be considerably more creatively inspired...

So... this clip could be considered a sonic analog of a sculpture?

Oh, well...

anarchist's picture

What you're describing is more like Merzbow,

who improvises all his shows (hitting metal with other metal, scraping rocks against metal, doing other things with metal). He would be literal "metal" music.

This heavy metal does have a score. A mistake would quickly be recognized, like an error in rhythm (especially the drums) or a wrong note. Even with all that distortion, a mistake would still be obvious. But there are no mistakes, because the instrumental parts off deathcore are ridiculously simple and easy to play (unlike the extremely complex instrumentals of death metal). The point of deathcore is the vocals. It takes a lot of practice to make one's voice sound like that.

elph's picture

Explanation is appreciated!

But... I'm terribly afraid that I remain a lost cause!:(

I've really tried to appreciate the art inherent in the clips... but all I hear is atonal cacophony.

I am obliged, however, to acknowledge that many do see this as an art that stems from true human invention.

It clearly represents an attempt for artful expression... but it cannot qualify as "music." And... I don't think you ever claimed that.

Bosemaster42's picture

I have to give you props

For at least listening to the above, Keith. I don't think it's your cup of tea.
However, there's plenty of 'Metal' out there you might find pleasing.

anarchist's picture

To quote Tristram Cary,

"music is sound which has been organized."
I believe anything can be music, as long as it is purposefully caused by someone for no reason other than to create sound.

That quote was taken from a very interesting documentary I found about the origins of electronic music in '50s London, called What the Future Sounded Like:

I encourage you to watch this; it might help you better understand my definition of music.

angel syndrome's picture

Different genres of music

Different genres of music have different conventions.
Just like different films have different conventions.

One can't watch a western expecting a romantic comedy, even though it may contain overlapping elements.

angel syndrome's picture

That isn't true, the world

Re : "I guess you just aren't a metal person. If one doesn't love it at first, one never will. It isn't an acquired taste."

That isn't true, the world isn't split up into binaries like that.

For instance, I didn't like metal before. Then I saw a live show (Russian Circles) which had a different mood, which got me into a few other acts. I'm not a die-hard metal fan, but experiencing it in that kind of environment gave me a taste for it. If more of my friends were into metal and I saw more shows, I would appreciate it more.

Sam2000's picture

I've been into metal, hard

I've been into metal, hard rock and grunge for as long as I can remember thanks to my Dad leaving behind most of his CD collection at my Grandma's house. Those types of music are a driving force in my life, and something about plugging a guitar into a distorted amp and making it scream never bores me.

The new bands with the frog vocals just don't do much for me but I admire the heaviness, and the way they're making metal evolve.

Sam

anarchist's picture

Blood for the bloodgod

anarchist's picture

And this is where metal gets even better: