Why is arizona so fucked up? Honestly....

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elph's picture

I'm undecided on this one...

It's troubling... but i don't quite know why!

But it does raise this question:

Why should two boys holding hands be any more humiliating or a social "no-no" than two girls holding hands?

jeff's picture

Well...

Perhaps that it encourages both bullying and homophobia?

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"I am living this life as lovingly as I can be as flawed as I am." - Brandon Lacy Campos

elph's picture

Maybe I'm just a bit slow...

Although I remain in a quandary as to whether the punishment is appropriate...

I fail to see, however, how it might encourage either bullying or homophobia.

As for the principal... I readily acknowledge that he may already be homophobic (really dunno).

I think there are many opportunities here for quite confusing innuendo... :(

jeff's picture

Well...

The crowd gathered around the boys are calling them faggots and such. So, if the principal is doing this to create a state where calling people faggot is the goal, it is undeniably creating a hostile client to closeted gay kids (homophobia) and showing that name-calling and humiliation are acceptable there (bullying), no?

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"I am living this life as lovingly as I can be as flawed as I am." - Brandon Lacy Campos

elph's picture

The students throwing slurs...

should also be punished/reprimanded.

My comments (above) applied strictly to the punishment itself (i.e., holding hands for one hour in public) --- not to the way some of the peers of the punished were allowed (encouraged?) to react!

And, I reiterate... I was never fully convinced that this particular punishment was a good choice on the part of the principal. This discussion, however, is encouraging me to be more critical...

But, the punishment itself, should not have automatically led to homophobic slurs.

However...if it can be established that the principal strongly suspected that some of the observing student body would be encouraged to throw out homophobic slurs with impunity, then the principal should be sanctioned... severely!

jeff's picture

Well...

I don't see how making two teenagers hold hands in public isn't going to lead to that. Without the homophobia, it's barely a punishment.

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"I am living this life as lovingly as I can be as flawed as I am." - Brandon Lacy Campos

jeff's picture

Wow...

If I went to school there, I would punch the cutest guy.

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"I am living this life as lovingly as I can be as flawed as I am." - Brandon Lacy Campos

elph's picture

I should never have entered this debate! :(

Yes... the principal was wrong... but only because (I suspect, but cannot prove) he achieved the homophobic response he anticipated! We can sit back and sanctimoniously state that "he had to know!" But we can't prove it!

On the surface, seeing two people holding hands should say nothing more than they're friends. But, the interpretation placed on this simple act by today's society is no longer quite that simple. It used to be, however...

There is no logic here: How did we get to this state where it's perfectly "acceptable" (why do we even feel obliged to judge it?) for two girls to hold hands in public with nary a stir, but not two boys? I know... it doesn't work that way anymore. So sad!

The principal should be crucified (metaphorically, of course)... but it's going to be a very knotty/divisive case to settle! :(

Bosemaster42's picture

WTF!

I can't believe the principal actually gave them a choice? They clearly should have been suspended for fighting. What message was he actually trying to send?
I was involved in a similiar incident in my school. I walked into my first period class(or attempted to), as I opened the door, this other kid who did'nt belong there was coming out at the same time. We bumped shoulders and I was immediately pushed by this kid. So, I pushed back showing I could play that game and he suckered me. I fell down against a couple of desks. I got right back up(probably with a murderous look on my face) and I was now pissed-off, I made a comment I later regretted and the kid ran away. I gave chase, but as luck would have it, one of the Math teachers intercepted me, and I drove him into a wall trying to get at the kid who hit me. I was summarily suspended for one day and so was the other kid. I never landed a punch and accepted my fate.