My Novel

Yamamoto's picture

Hey does anyone want me to share my book I am writing on here. The reason I ask is I do want people's opinions and constructive criticism if they are willing to give it. I was only going to post it up in small pieces that come in order, so it won't be an overwhelming amount of reading :D

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jeff's picture

I've said this before...

... but just to be safe, I never review/comment on artistic works on here.

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles

Yamamoto's picture

Even if I asked you too? I

Even if I asked you too? I mean this novel is something I am very serious about and I want people to comment on it. Your feedback would be very useful given that you seem like you have some experience. I mean if you want I can PM it and you can comment there. Is there a certain reason that you don't comment on things?

jeff's picture

Well...

The main reason is that most people consider first or second drafts as "review ready," and my experience is that is too early in the development for any meaningful critique, since the author can still improve or find new things to explore in the work at that point. I tend to think that if you still think you can improve any part of it, why am I reading it?!

Don't get me wrong. I made all those same mistakes at some point, too. Since writing is lonely, there is that desire for validation, approval, and wondering if you are on the right path, etc., but I found the early reviews were as thin as the material I was presenting.

I also found on Oasis (and this is a collective judgment, so people who say they wouldn't be this way are the outliers) over 18 years, that most people really just want people to like their writing, say what parts they like, and at most ask why something happened in the story. And, it makes sense, as that is sort of the vibe of the site. But while it is how I like the community to run, it is not how I would want my work critiqued.

I've had violently negative reactions when I questioned someone's artistic works on Oasis, and it ended up being more bother than it was worth.

I also don't give high level feedback, and am apt to really dig in and want to question things. And a high number of people at this very point discover they are NOT huge fans of people ripping their work to shreds, especially if they think they nailed it. I come from the journalism world, where "Did you send me this shit as a joke?" is not a rare remark from your editor reading your piece for the first time, so that is the background I come from, etc.

High level feedback is also a huge time suck. I think I spent 40-50 hours reviewing a friend's book, so I now think of it as a huge ask to do it.

Another issue is that I dislike some genres entirely (fantasy and most sci-fi, for example), so I'd obviously never agree to read anything in those formats, since I can't review something I wouldn't also read for pleasure.

When I first did give critiques, I often felt with my critiques and edits, I had dedicated more time to improving the piece than the author had spent writing it.

In your particular case, I wouldn't be able to read it, as I am adjusting my entire schedule, as well as deactivating my Facebook and Twitter accounts in mid-August, so that I can start working seriously on my novel starting on September 2 (I'd move that sooner, but with family stuff, out of town weddings, and a vacation, that is when I can really dedicate to not pursuing anything else. I've even booked way less concerts and show tickets, which pains me to no end, heh.

In addition, I only read very specific things when I am writing, usually new non-fiction or my favorite fiction books over again, to stay in a a specific headspace while I work on my stuff. That process has already started, mainly reading new fiction that I know I will love to inspire me.

Anyone serious about online critiquing is better off paying to join a community like Lit Reactor (http://litreactor.com/workshop/preview) for $9 a month. The cost keeps people who aren't serious out, and you earn points by reviewing the work of others, so they in turn will read you, etc. So, between charging money and making it a meritocracy, I think that is a better filter for serious review than anything else.

When I start my next project, I will be using Lit Reactor.

For this one, though, I am hiring a professional copy editor, prior to possibly having it reviewed by a living legend (but similar to my not reviewing when I am writing, if I happen to send it to him while he's writing, then he won't read mine either, heh. Plus, I can't ask whether that window is open or closed prior to sending it).

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles

Yamamoto's picture

Wow :D Thank you for the

Wow :D Thank you for the helpful feedback jeff.... I actually thing that this was more useful than commentary at this point than anything else. As my professor Jason told us. The difference sometimes between writers and those who are not is simply that writers well write. So I probably need to get more done at this point. But the recommendation of that site is something that is really useful and I am certainly going to have to use that. So thank you for the advice. :D

jeff's picture

hehe...

Well, then there you go. You got feedback on your novel anyway! ;-)

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles