Dark Temptations of the Beat Generation

elph's picture

I hope all surviving Oasies™ read this article as both a cautionary tale and as an informative one!

We each have only our one life to live and enjoy: We are so much better informed today than a quarter century ago. This article describes how easily it can be thrown away…

Some temptations just aren't worth the risk: Use your brains!

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/art-culture/teenage-boyfriend-beat-genera...

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jeff's picture

Err...

I already read this piece, but what is the cautionary tale?

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles

elph's picture

Yes... it's a cautionary tale

I'm disappointed that another aspiring author --- well past the age of Ewert at the time --- fails to see the cautionary tale in two men (62 & 74) seducing an infatuated Ewert (17) for an "education" lasting 8 years with sex being the tuition.

The very question belies the (hopefully remote) possibility that its author might unhesitatingly consider such a liaison were it presented to him --- with no concern about its morality. :(

Yes… it is a cautionary tale!

jeff's picture

Well...

I'm reading the actual text of the article, the one where the 17-year-old specifically pursued both men to sleep with them. They had no idea who he even was until he specifically enrolled at the place where they taught for the express purpose of going after them sexually. He doesn't even offer a moment of regret in the piece all these years later, since he has none, nor should he.

How you can twist that concept around to them seducing him is beyond me.

Sadly, I'm less surprised that you can't discuss Ewert and his article without making it about me, for whatever unrelated reason, adding your own subtext to my life in the same way you seemingly did this article. But that's nothing new and why I've not replied to anything you've written on here for months.

I guess that was a good decision, and a practice I should continue.

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles

elph's picture

I think it is clear for all to see...

that my original journal post had nothing to say about you personally (even indirectly). It wasn't until you invited (baited?) me to explain why I saw the article as a "Cautionary Tale" that you converted it into something personal.

One had to assume by your question that you disagreed with my assessment of the article as presenting an unhealthy relationship between adults and underage gay teens --- where the teen becomes a victim no matter how flattering the attention given him by the adults involved.

In fact... a situation similar (but not as long lasting) as this one has within the past few weeks been quite vividly described in a journal as having been suffered by one of our more eloquent and long-time participants here on Oasis!

It's sad that any disagreement with you --- no matter how slight --- must be seen as a personal affront.

My position is that one should feel offended only if the presumed offense is meant intentionally... (but, I have no control over what others believe to be true).

Perhaps We Should Leave's picture

Dude

I'm pretty sure that there's no particular evidence of any abuse in that relationship.
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“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE." - AM

jeff's picture

Well..

Only you can move the personal attack up one notch to me asking about the article with such a loaded phrase as "what is the cautionary tale?" That is just laced with heavy subtext baiting you, hehe.

I honestly found, and still find, your assessment so counter to the tone and detail of the actual article, that I had to ask if you somehow misread it, despite my not wanting to engage you on here again, for reasons evident above. Trust me, it has been joyous to not engage in this way with you, and I intend to avoid you again on here immediately after posting this comment.

Some other details, which I'm sure will mean nothing: The age of consent in Colorado is 17, which was Ewert's age at the time all of this occurred. So, no one was underaged in the equation. Legally, they were both consenting adults. Even outside of the law, it was clearly consensual regardless.

When you remove the aspect of "consent," which was not the case in the recent journal on here, they have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Oasis would be joyous with an ignore feature.

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles

Perhaps We Should Leave's picture

Define 'morality' for me

I'm pretty sure Ginsberg and Burroughs felt it was perfectly moral. Just because their morals (and by extension, in reality, mine) don't match up with yours in this case does not make it immoral or evil or abusive- it makes it different from your values.

Psh, I wish *I* could have fucked those men. They're goddam heroes of mine.

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“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE." - AM

anarchist's picture

I couldn't get very far into this.

I don't like the idea of a teenager going out and having sex with an old man for something as simple and inhuman as fame. The only reason this article isn't written in disgust is because everybody's trying to appear accepting and supportive of the "gay movement". It's upsetting to read about something so emotionless.

Perhaps We Should Leave's picture

Meh.

I think that the reason this wasn't written in disgust is because, for one thing, this sort of thing wasn't uncommon in that time. And besides, if you'd read further, you would note there was more than that in there.

And I dunno about you, but I'd fuck anyone I respect as an artist.

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“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE." - AM

jeff's picture

Err...

There is nothing in the article suggesting he did this as a means to become famous, or that his interest in them was merely the fact that they were famous. He does later describe the relationships as "intimate" and "loving."

I'd guess it wasn't written in disgust because nothing disgusting occurred. If you don't want to sleep with old gay men, it's very easy to avoid. I never wanted to sleep with older men, and I have been successful. Well, there was one guy I slept with who was older... he was born a few months earlier than me, so I did mention to him that I'd never been with an older man before. He didn't really like it, heh. ;-)

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Perhaps We Should Leave's picture

Um.

I see no cautionary tale. I see a piece about a boy and two men having an inter-generational love affair. I actually see it as terrifically romantic and actually rather beautiful. I'm gonna write more in a journal, because I realized I was getting off topic in what I was gonna post.

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“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE." - AM

Beau's picture

The idea of doing anything

The idea of doing anything with a much older guy just doesn't get me excited, and by much older I mean some 3 or 4 times my age. I don't think older guys are disgusting or anything but just not the type I'd want to sleep with.

Beau

jeff's picture

Easy fix then...

Don't sleep with them! ;-)

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"You don't know you're beautiful." - Harry Styles